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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a crazier problem, though one that might be easier to solve. Got a post-reg office action yesterday for a certification mark that was clearly intended for another file. The examiner said that although the client indicated in the
filing that the standards for a certification mark had not changed, there were no standards in the file, so we needed to send some in. But my client indicated that its standards HAD changed and provided the new standards, which are plainly there in TSDR.
Less education required, thankfully, but yeesh.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lara Pearson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2025 7:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lara Pearson <lara@brandgeek.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] seven listserv members at the USPTO are gone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">That explains why <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">indeed, indeed<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">where the Examiner seems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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that Class 38 is for streaming<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">like if you actually ARE YouTube<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">and 41 is for the videos <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">but evidence of branded YouTube videos was refused<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">so what am I to do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">so I can educate the Examiner on how this is to go<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Ah, the Joys of Practicing before the USPTO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Lara Pearson (she/her/hers)</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <span style="color:#222222">[</span><a href="https://medium.com/gender-inclusivit/why-i-put-pronouns-on-my-email-signature-and-linkedin-profile-and-you-should-too-d3dc942c8743" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155CC">Why
pronouns</span></a>?<span style="color:#222222">] (<a href="https://namedrop.io/larapearson" target="_blank">Hear how I say my name</a>)</span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 8:27<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello fellow listserv members.<br>
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Our listservs are hosted on a software platform called Mailman. When a <br>
listserv member posts a posting, Mailman sends the posting via email to <br>
each of the thousand or so listserv members. The system keeps track of <br>
"bounces" and studies the bounce messages and tries to act accordingly. <br>
The system sends me reports sometimes.<br>
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Just now I received a report that today, seven people with "@<a href="http://uspto.gov/" target="_blank">uspto.gov</a>"
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email addresses have been unsubscribed from the e-trademarks listserv. <br>
The reason given is "disabled email address". I recognize some of the <br>
seven names as people (formerly) involved in trademark stuff at the <br>
USPTO, some of them very high up in the Trademark Office. They are <br>
people I know slightly but not well enough to ask them what happened.<br>
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My suspicion is that most of them took the "fork in the road".<br>
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