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<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif; color:blue">If it is an individual, I check national. If the applicant is a business, I check real and effective commercial establishment. Weve never had an issue.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Simor Moskowitz via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 5:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Simor Moskowitz <SMoskowitz@WHDA.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] sanity check</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">I agree with Tim and have always checked "domicile".</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 6:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tim Ackermann <<a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a>><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On Sun, Jul 27, 2025, 17:25 Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">My paralegal refuses to believe that a US company can be a "national" --she insists that is only for people so she wants to check the "real and effective presence" box, but I disagree
b/c that, IMHO, is for foreign companies who have a factory here or whatever. I cannot find anything confirming that for purposes of filing a Madrid application, a company is a US national so I cannot prove this to my paralegal. Or should we check the US
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