<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1256">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style><![endif]--><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Helvetica;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Verdana;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Aptos;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle20
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;
color:blue;
font-weight:normal;
font-style:normal;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;
mso-ligatures:none;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:blue">If it is an individual, I check national. If the applicant is a business, I check real and effective commercial establishment. Weve never had an issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="84%" style="width:84.88%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td nowrap="" colspan="2" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.75pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ellen Lockwood, ACP, RP</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> (she/her)<br>
Trademark Paralegal</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td nowrap="" colspan="2" style="padding:7.5pt 0in 3.0pt 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.slwip.com/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="212" height="40" style="width:2.2083in;height:.4166in" id="_x0000_i1029" src="https://stationerycentral.com/2021/slw-transparent-424x80.png" alt="Schwegman Lundberg & Woessner"></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td nowrap="" style="padding:4.5pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:11.25pt"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">Office:</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#646466"> 512-628-9323 </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">|</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#646466"> </span><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">Mobile:</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#646466"> 210-771-7053
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td nowrap="" colspan="2" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#646466">Gold Financial Building </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">|</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#646466"> 2822
North Loop 1604 West, Suite 112 </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">|</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#646466"> San Antonio, TX 78248
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%" nowrap="" colspan="2" style="width:100.0%;padding:3.0pt 0in 5.25pt 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:blue;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><a href="http://www.slwip.com"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295;mso-ligatures:none;text-decoration:none">slwip.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">|</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:blue;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><a href="https://slwip.com/people/ellen-lockwood/"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295;mso-ligatures:none;text-decoration:none">bio</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">|</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:blue;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellenlockwood/"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295;mso-ligatures:none;text-decoration:none">my
linkedin</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">|</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:blue;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><a href="https://dynasend.com/signatures/vcard/elockwood-at-slwip.com.vcf"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295;mso-ligatures:none;text-decoration:none">vCard</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295">|</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:blue;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><a href="mailto:elockwood@slwip.com"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#005295;mso-ligatures:none;text-decoration:none">elockwood@slwip.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td nowrap="" colspan="2" style="padding:4.5pt 0in 5.25pt 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.slwip.com/slw-academy/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="149" height="55" style="width:1.552in;height:.5729in" id="_x0000_i1028" src="https://stationerycentral.com/2023/slw-academy-logo-298x110.png" alt="SLW Academy"></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:blue;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Simor Moskowitz via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 5:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Simor Moskowitz <SMoskowitz@WHDA.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] sanity check<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I agree with Tim and have always checked "domicile".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Simor Moskowitz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">.........................................................<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div id="Signature">
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Simor L. Moskowitz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Westerman, Hattori, LLP</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">8500 Leesburg Pike, Suite 7500</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Tysons, VA 22182</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(240) 731-0609 (cell)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">703) 827-3803 (DD)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(703) 827-3800 (main)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(571) 395-8753 (fax)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:smoskowitz@whda.com" target="_blank" title="Ctrl+Click or tap to follow the link">smoskowitz@whda.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(Member DC and MD Bars)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center">
<hr size="2" width="98%" align="center">
</div>
<div id="divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
on behalf of Tim Ackermann via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 6:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tim Ackermann <<a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] sanity check</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Isn't "domiciled" an available and undisputed option? <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tim Ackermann<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Ackermann Law Firm<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">E: <a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a><br>
P: 817.305.0690<br>
F: 214.453.0810<br>
W: <a href="http://ackermannlaw.com/" target="_blank">
ackermannlaw.com</a><br>
O: 1701 W. Northwest Hwy. Ste. 100<br>
Grapevine TX 76051</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jul 27, 2025, 17:25 Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We are getting ready to file a Madrid designating a lot of places our from a US registration, so a big filing fee, so we want to get it right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">My paralegal refuses to believe that a US company can be a "national" --she insists that is only for people so she wants to check the "real and effective presence" box, but I disagree
b/c that, IMHO, is for foreign companies who have a factory here or whatever. I cannot find anything confirming that for purposes of filing a Madrid application, a company is a US national so I cannot prove this to my paralegal. Or should we check the US
domicile box?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This seems like a dumb question but I'm stumped. I normally avoid Madrid so I'm not too fluent in it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Janet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div id="x_m_-6297646520233127543Signature">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#666699">Janet F. Satterthwaite</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:gray">|</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#999999">Partner/
Chair, Trademark Practice|Potomac Law Group, PLLC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7C869A;background:white"><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1717+Pennsylvania+Avenue,+NW,+Suite+1025+%0D%0A+Washington,+D.C.+20006?entry=gmail&source=g">1717 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 1025</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7C869A;background:white"><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1717+Pennsylvania+Avenue,+NW,+Suite+1025+%0D%0A+Washington,+D.C.+20006?entry=gmail&source=g">Washington, D.C. 20006</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7C869A;background:white">202-486-1578</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:gray"><a href="mailto:jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com" target="_blank">jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com</a>|<a href="https://www.potomaclaw.com/" target="_blank" title="https://www.potomaclaw.com">www.potomaclaw.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"><a href="https://www.potomaclaw.com/professionals-janet-f-satterthwaite" target="_blank">https://www.potomaclaw.com/professionals-janet-f-satterthwaite</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">This e-mail and any attachments may contain information that is private, confidential, and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately
and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
E-trademarks mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:E-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">E-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<a href="http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/e-trademarks_oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/e-trademarks_oppedahl-lists.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>