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I agree with Tim and have always checked "domicile".</div>
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<div>Isn't "domiciled" an available and undisputed option? </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 27, 2025, 17:25 Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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We are getting ready to file a Madrid designating a lot of places our from a US registration, so a big filing fee, so we want to get it right.</div>
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My paralegal refuses to believe that a US company can be a "national" --she insists that is only for people so she wants to check the "real and effective presence" box, but I disagree b/c that, IMHO, is for foreign companies who have a factory here or whatever.
I cannot find anything confirming that for purposes of filing a Madrid application, a company is a US national so I cannot prove this to my paralegal. Or should we check the US domicile box?</div>
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This seems like a dumb question but I'm stumped. I normally avoid Madrid so I'm not too fluent in it.</div>
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