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<p>By the way there is a fascinating film called "The Widow Cliquot"
that everybody should watch if they have not already.</p>
<p>I wonder (in the <span>VEUVE CLIQUOT case) whether the Examiner
thought to ask whether "Cliquot" was the name of a living
individual. She died in 1866, but the Examiner might not have
been sure about that.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks, Susan. I didn\u2019t have time to
read the briefs. But how/ on what grounds? Are they saying
that VEUVE CLIQUOT is descriptive because it describes the
person who runs the company? That sounds like a serious
stretch to me. </span></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] VETEMENTS case
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As to point 1, I don\u2019t think
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>To point #3, wow, it's hard
to see how the lawyers made that argument with a
straight face. Cheers, Sam Castree, III Sam
Castree Law, LLC 3421 W. Elm St. McHenry, IL 60050
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<span>The NY Times reporter analogizes the
registration of VEUVE CLIQUOT, which
means \u201cwidow cliquot\u201d and refers to the
company matriarch, for champagne, to the
registration of VETEMENTS, which in
French means clothing, for clothing. Is
that an analogy the applicant has
actually made, or is this just the usual
ignorance of NY Times articles when it
comes to IP?</span><span></span></li>
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<span>The PTO refused registration on the
ground that the mark is merely
descriptive and that it appears to be
generic. How can it be both?
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<span>The applicant\u2019s response to the OA
included the argument that \u201cvetements\u201d
referred only to clothing as a category,
while they are applying to register
specific items of clothing:</span><span>
\u201c</span><i><span>Although the word
\u201cclothing\u201d may have a relationship to
an overall category of products, it is
not the descriptive (nor generic) term
for any specific item. A purchaser
would not say they want to \u201cbuy a
clothing.\u201d Further, when the mark
VETEMENTS is encountered an
observer would first have to undertake
translation of the word, and then draw
a relationship to a specific item such
as a sweatshirt\u201d.
</span></i><span>I understand that we
have to try any and every credible
argument, but that one doesn\u2019t strike me
as falling into that category.
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