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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> E-trademarks &lt;e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 21, 2025 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. &lt;e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Janet Satterthwaite &lt;jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Madrid question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Apologies if this should be on the Madrid list-serve, but I have mysteriously lost or misplaced my access to that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Has anyone tried filing a US certification mark abroad under the Madrid protocol?&nbsp; How do you deal with the fact that it is in Class A or B rather than a Nice classification? And
 many other questions. I am aware that not everywhere even recognizes certification marks.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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