[Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded

[pbrisky at fujitsu.com]

There is an option (and I am sorry if someone has mentioned this) that allows you to drag and reorder the files.  It used to work and I loved it.  The files, when uploaded at once, seem to “arrive” based on their filed size or which ever one is first to upload.  The drag and reorder feature does not work anymore. I have tried it at different stages of upload and none of them retain the reorder.  It makes review really tedious for the filing attorney, especially with large IDSes.


Pamela Cei Brisky
Senior Patent Paralegal/Docketing Manager
Fujitsu North America, Inc.
Fujitsu Intellectual Property Center

571-216-2112
pbrisky at fujitsu.com<mailto:pbrisky at fujitsu.com>

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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded

It’s a bug if you ever want to compare the IFW with what you uploaded. You’ll spend more time comparing two differently ordered lists of items, even though the PTO might get those items into the IFW marginally faster.

I can easily understand why a developer would think asynchronous processing makes sense. But that’s what’s so often wrong with the PTO’s developer-centric approach since the developer has no idea how practitioners work.

And, of course, my guess about how Patent Center processes uploaded files could be completely wrong.

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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded

That sounds like a feature, not a bug.

Nov 21, 2023 5:59:03 PM Richard Schafer via Patentcenter <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>>:
This is just a guess since no one outside of the PTO and its contractors knows how Patent Center works.
EFS may have sequentially processed each document, leading to them showing in the IFW in their uploaded order. Occasionally, some documents may have required special handling, which required pulling them out of order.
Patent Center may be multi-threaded, with each document being processed asynchronously. That may lead to random ordering in the IFW.
Asynchronous processing of each document makes sense from a developer’s perspective because it may use computational resources more efficiently. But from the applicant’s perspective, the result is a mess for anyone trying to compare what is in the IFW with what was uploaded.
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Subject: [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded
Hi, fellow Patent Center victims
When we file a new application, we upload documents in a standard order.  For example, we uploaded the following documents in the following order for a new application we filed today:
ADS
Utility Transmittal
Application (single PDF document including specification, claims, abstract)
Drawings
Declaration
POA
IDS Statement
IDS Form
Foreign Ref 1
Foreign Ref 2
Foreign Ref 3
Foreign Ref 4
When we filed new applications in the sainted EFS-Web of blessed memory, they would generally appear in the image file wrapper in the same order we upload them, although occasionally the POA and IDS Statement would be out of order.  This made it easy to do a quick visual check that all of the documents were in the image file wrapper.
However, for the new application we just filed in the hated p.o.s. Patent Center, the documents appear in the following random order in the image file wrapper:
ADS
Foreign Reference 1
Foreign Reference 4
IDS Form
Declaration
Drawings
POA
Foreign Reference 3
Utility Transmittal
Electronic Acknowledgement Receipt
Foreign Reference 2
Electronic Payment Receipt
Specification
Claims
Abstract
IDS Statement
WHY????????????????????
Best regards,
Randall S. Svihla
NSIP Law
Washington, D.C.
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