<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Kathi Vidal is speaking at the National Inventor Club right now in a live stream: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/nationalinventorclub/videos/874433924298168" class="">https://www.facebook.com/nationalinventorclub/videos/874433924298168</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have posted a couple of questions about the Patent Center and the pushback by many IP workers. Hope the host will ask a question!</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 9, 2023, at 7:38 PM, Krista Jacobsen via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" class="">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi everyone,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have an update on the disappearance of Japanese characters from files. When it happened to me the first time, I refiled the same document using EFS-Web, and all was fine. Now that EFS-Web is going away, of course, that no longer remains an option. And it happened to me again in the past week: I uploaded a Japanese patent reference to Patent Center (and--this is key--Patent Center had NO COMPLAINT about the document), and when I downloaded it, the Japanese characters on all but the first page were gone. Again I re-filed using EFS-Web, and all was fine again.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This time I reported it, and I got some information that I wanted to share. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Apparently, after Patent Center had ingested documents, a downstream "Event hub" "further disseminates work." After an investigation, it was determined that "some issues were present in the document (e.g., image layers present, MacOS being used) that could have created the content loss." (Why didn't Patent Center pop any error or warning messages?)<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They are exploring solutions in the "downstream systems to better accept documents with these issues."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It was emphasized to me that this is *not* a Patent Center issue but rather a "downstream issue [that] appears to be an isolated issue likely as a result of the document submitted to the Office."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So there you go. Patent Center is totally fine! <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards,</div><div class="">Krista<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">------------------------------------------<br class=""></div><div class="">Krista S. Jacobsen<br class=""></div><div class="">Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div class="">Jacobsen IP Law</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank" class="">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div class="">T: 408.455.5539</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 2:46\u202fPM Krista Jacobsen <<a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" class="">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I do this regularly, but after submission, information still goes missing (e.g., all Japanese characters from a seemingly-acceptable file, as I reported a couple of weeks ago). I haven't found a way to see ahead of time what the USPTO's processing will do to a document after it has been submitted. Thus, for new applications, I go to Private PAIR to download everything shortly after filing (because it takes forever for the files to show up in Patent Center), and for existing applications, I immediately check the file history to see whether anything went wrong. And if something went wrong, I use EFS-Web to try again.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards,</div><div class="">Krista<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">------------------------------------------<br class=""></div><div class="">Krista S. Jacobsen<br class=""></div><div class="">Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div class="">Jacobsen IP Law</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank" class="">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div class="">T: 408.455.5539</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 1:37\u202fPM Timothy Snowden via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" class="">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">True -- but the reviewer can click back to "Upload Documents"
tab, click the three dots on the right, and then click PDF ->
and download the ADS. <br class="">
</p><p class="">Tedious, but possible to review the ADS as-uploaded. <br class="">
</p><p class="">Or, just click "Download all documents" -- which I usually do
anyway when reviewing so I see them as they were split up.<br class="">
</p><p class="">On 10/6/2023 11:57 AM, <a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com" target="_blank" class="">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</a> wrote:</p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Agreed \u2013 I experience this as well.
Then, if you submit the third option, and you post the ADS
using that route (submit later or attach with no autofill),
you can not open it to review it so the filing attorney has
to have a lot of faith in the poster.<span class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Pamela
Cei Brisky</span><span class="">
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Patent Paralegal | Accounting Administrator<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span class="">Fujitsu
North America, Inc</span></b><span class="">.</span><span lang="en-BB" class="">|
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Weird ADS upload
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="">Yes -- we receive this issue on an apparently random basis.
We've tried to re-fill the form, etc. Usually we just give up
and convert to filing "without an ADS" and then upload it as a
'normal document' that we then tag as an ADS. It makes more
work for the USPTO, and it increases risk of typos which we
then have to correct. But, we've not been able to figure out a
way around it when it decides to reject an ADS.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">Interestingly enough, a client we have that has done a couple
of his own provisional filings was telling me how nice the
USPTO website and interfaces were compared to most other
government interfaces he had to deal with. I was a little
surprised.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On 10/6/2023 8:52 AM, Erin Geraghty via
Patentcenter wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt" class="">Yesterday
I also received that error message. I closed the filing
and started all over again. On the second try I received
a warning saying something like the ADS wasn\u2019t the most
recent ADS form, and that the PTO may not be able to pull
the information from it. I was able to move past the
message and complete the submission..
</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt" class="">The issues
made absolutely no sense, as the ADS that was used in this
case was pulled from the PTO website that morning???
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<b class="">Subject:</b> [Patentcenter] Weird ADS upload error
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Good morning all \u2013 I\u2019m not sure if this
has been discussed before or added to the \u201cbugs list\u201d or
not.
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">This morning I tried to upload an ADS to
Patent Center using the middle option \u201cUpload ADS (PDF)\u201d
like I usually do. For some reason it didn\u2019t like my ADS,
but it doesn\u2019t tell me what is wrong with the document to
fix it. The screenshot below is the error I got. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><img style="width: 3.2812in; height: 2.125in;" id="m_6452298290256245822m_5855443984912228574Picture_x0020_1" width="315" height="204" border="0" class=""></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">How is that even remotely helpful?? I
tried exporting the data and importing it into a new ADS
form (downloaded from the USPTO cite) as well. I\u2019m assuming
whatever error is in the current ADS imported in (I assumed
it would but it was worth a shot). It was a fairly large
ADS so I didn\u2019t want to manually retype everything all over
again to try and fix an error that was unknown to me, only
to get the same error again. I checked all the data and
made sure nothing looked out of the ordinary, but nothing I
tried seemed to get it to upload successfully. I ended up
having to just upload it under the \u201cNo ADS, or Attached ADS
(PDF)\u201d option instead and it worked fine. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It would be really helpful if there is
some sort of error that the USPTO actually tells you what is
wrong with it so you can fix it. Has anyone else come
across something like this and figured out how to fix
whatever the error was with the document?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance and TGIF!<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Victoria<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><br class="">
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