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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Remember to revise per 37 CFR 1.4(d)(5)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\u201c(5) Forms. The Office provides forms for the public to use in certain situations to assist in the filing of correspondence for a certain purpose and to meet certain requirements for patent applications and
proceedings. Use of the forms for purposes for which they were not designed is prohibited. No changes to certification statements on the Office forms (e.g., oath or declaration forms, terminal disclaimer forms, petition forms, and nonpublication request forms)
may be made. The existing text of a form, other than a certification statement, may be modified, deleted, or added to, if all text identifying the form as an Office form is removed. The presentation to the Office (whether by signing, filing, submitting, or
later advocating) of any Office form with text identifying the form as an Office form by a party, whether a practitioner or non-practitioner, constitutes a certification under § 11.18(b) of this chapter that the existing text and any certification statements
on the form have not been altered other than permitted by EFS-Web customization.\u201d<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">James Lake<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 10, 2023 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> James E. Lake <jel@randalldanskin.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Issue Fee Transmittal - Certificate of Service<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or you can just use a PDF editor to type onto it what it needs to say. That\u2019s how I fill out the old 85b anyway.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I haven\u2019t been correcting it for this issue until now, but I think I may start. No step to add something new.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Nov 9, 2023, at 11:18 AM, James E. Lake via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">\ufeff <span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If you need to use the 85b the PTO sent to you with the NOA instead of using the Patent Center Web 85b, then I suggest you prepare and upload PTO/SB/92 Certificate of Mailing or Transmission under 37 CFR 1.8
as a separate paper since the certificate on the old 85b is incorrect. SB92 expressly includes Patent Center.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">James Lake</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 8, 2023 1:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Issue Fee Transmittal - Certificate of Service</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Fairness, schmerness. You can bet if your livelihood depends on it, the USPTO will throw you under the bus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Quisenberry via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 8, 2023 4:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Timothy Snowden <<a href="mailto:timothy@thompsonpatentlaw.com">timothy@thompsonpatentlaw.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>; Sarah Adriano <<a href="mailto:sbadriano@adrianoassociates.com">sbadriano@adrianoassociates.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dale Quisenberry <<a href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com">dale@quisenberrylaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Issue Fee Transmittal - Certificate of Service</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks, Tim. I think what you and Sarah are saying are good arguments, and may very well be winning arguments. As I think about it further, it would seem unfair for the USPTO
to take the position that using the USPTO\u2019s own form would not constitute an effective certificate, especially once we arrive in a Patent Center only world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dale</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">C. Dale Quisenberry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Quisenberry Law PLLC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Houston, Texas 77069</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(832) 680.5000 (office)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Timothy Snowden <<a href="mailto:timothy@thompsonpatentlaw.com">timothy@thompsonpatentlaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a> <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>, Sarah Adriano <<a href="mailto:sbadriano@adrianoassociates.com">sbadriano@adrianoassociates.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Dale Quisenberry <<a href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com">dale@quisenberrylaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Patentcenter] Issue Fee Transmittal - Certificate of Service</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I would argue a similar point to Sarah. However, for elimination of doubt (because Dale's view is arguable, and probably the most 'to the letter accurate'), I modify our Certificate to say "... EFS-Web/PatentCenter
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Part of the confusion is that USPTO has been a bit imprecise whether they refer to PatentCenter as an iteration of EFS-Web or a different system. I take the view that it's an iteration at least as far as the
legal framework for the Certificate of Service goes. I know the USPTO hasn't updated it, but it seems like the only other option is to Fax / USPS, and that's clearly not the intent ... so clearly the practical intent of the USPTO is that PatentCenter is the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Not sure if that stream of consciousness helps, but there it is...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 11/8/2023 2:48 PM, Dale Quisenberry via Patentcenter wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sarah,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My view is that the certificate below would not be effective for Patent Center unless it was changed from EFS-Web to Patent Center.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(832) 680.5000 (office)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<sbadriano@adrianoassociates.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 2:31 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>users of Patentcenter <a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">
<patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Dale Quisenberry <a href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com"><dale@quisenberrylaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Issue Fee Transmittal - Certificate of Service</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Dale,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">I saw EFS-web as a generic electronic filing system with species therein. Filing via patent center was just another form of an electronic filing system via the
web. Comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Thanks, Sarah</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Quisenberry via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 03, 2023 4:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> users of Patentcenter <a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">
<patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dale Quisenberry <a href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com"><dale@quisenberrylaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentcenter] Issue Fee Transmittal - Certificate of Service</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">You have probably already noticed this, but just in case:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">The \u201cCertificate of Mailing or Transmission\u201d on the Part B \u2013 FEE(S) TRANSMITTAL form for transmittal of an Issue Fee does not list transmission
to USPTO via Patent Center.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">This form won\u2019t work come November 8, agree?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Dale</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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