<div><div><a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2012/08/14/2012-17907/changes-to-implement-the-inventors-oath-or-declaration-provisions-of-the-leahy-smith-america-invents">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2012/08/14/2012-17907/changes-to-implement-the-inventors-oath-or-declaration-provisions-of-the-leahy-smith-america-invents</a></div><br></div><div dir="auto">Read the section on Applicant. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/aia_implementation/inventors-oath-or-declaration-quick-reference-guide.pdf">https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/aia_implementation/inventors-oath-or-declaration-quick-reference-guide.pdf</a></div><br></div><div dir="auto">USPTO note explaining the same. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Been a long time look for a form that is two pages. The supplemental declaration will have a check box for legal heir. Aia002 I want to say but look it up. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 12:34 AM Vivek Ramachandran <<a href="mailto:vivramachandran@gmail.com">vivramachandran@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Supplemental declaration is the process under AIA. It is also when someone dies and a legal heir comes along. There is a simple form for that supplemental declaration. Applicant under AIA can be changed using supplemental declaration. Additionally AIA changed how this is done. There is a federal register notice explaining this. You no longer need more than the form. USPTO assumes good faith unlike earlier under pre AIA where you needed to prove via petition or otherwise that you are the legal heart. Read the MPEP section that was posted earlier with the federal register notice on supplemental declaration. You do need a power of attorney from the new heir. The old one is no longer valid when the inventor dies. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Supplemental declaration is not just for changing inventors. The MPEP section I cited to has this information. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Provisionals do not have ADS. So that route does not work. And provisionals do not need an oath or a declaration. However, there is no prohibition against a supplemental declaration to change the applicant. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:12 PM Jim Larsen via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks for your thoughtful response. U.S. provisional applications are never published (although their contents can sometimes be publicly viewed, e.g., if cited in a non-provisional).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The widow is not an inventor in this instance, so changing the inventor is not an option. I\u2019ve looked into submitting a corrected ADS to identify the inventor as deceased and
identify the widow as applicant (by way of being legal representative), but I need PoA to file the ADS. Perhaps success is possible if they are filed simultaneously, but I think I need to prove the widow\u2019s legal status as representative of the estate. Submitting
this type of legal document on the record has some potential downsides, I believe.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-Jim Larsen<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Goldberg, Judi <<a href="mailto:jgoldberg@leydig.com" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank">jgoldberg@leydig.com</a>></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div id="m_-5012008416517219639m_-3458106223556321227mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Date: </b>Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:02 PM<br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To: </b><a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a> <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cc: </b>Jim Larsen <<a href="mailto:jim@larsen-ip.com" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank">jim@larsen-ip.com</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Subject: </b>RE: Access to provisional application of deceased inventor - how?<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Hi Jim,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Sorry you\u2019re dealing with this. I thought provisional applications were made public after expiration. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I suggest maybe treating it as a non-expired utility application, and file a supplemental marked-up ADS and request to change the applicant or the inventor (whichever is appropriate),
adding the \u201cdeceased\u201d after the current inventor\u2019s name and adding his widow as a legal representative.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">The form used to change the inventor reads:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I would include the POA and a 373(c) statement with the suppl ADS and Request to Change. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Hope this works!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">(IF not, I suggest contacting one of the ombudsman.
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https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/support-centers/patents-ombuds-office/contact-patents-ombuds</a>.)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Judi</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Behalf Of </b>Jim Larsen via Patentcenter<br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 14, 2023 2:54 PM<br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To:</b> <a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cc:</b> Jim Larsen <<a href="mailto:jim@larsen-ip.com" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" target="_blank">jim@larsen-ip.com</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Subject:</b> [Patentcenter] Access to provisional application of deceased inventor - how?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I've been trying for weeks to get access to a (expired) provisional application on behalf of the widow of the deceased inventor, as there is interest in the likely subject matter,
given the inventor's renown in his field. There was (as far as we know) no attorney, no co-inventor listed in the file, and, obviously, no available record of the application. I have appropriate documentation identifying the widow as a legal representative
and have filed a power of attorney signed by same. This resulted in an Unauthorized Signature response from the PTO. After speaking with people in the inventor's assistance center, USPTO legal office, and certification section I'm no closer to getting access
as each PTO contact's respective passing the buck has yet to identify someone that actually knows how to gain access. I have only the inventor name and the application number to go on. Any ideas how to get access?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(32,31,30)">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(32,31,30)">-Jim</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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