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<p class="MsoNormal">Understood \u2013 you just reminded me of the bug and it seemed a good segue to mention it. I definitely share your frustration with the post filing reordering. It somewhat matches the whacky reordering of the documents in the E-OA correspondence
workbench.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">Pamela Cei Brisky<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">Senior Patent Paralegal/Docketing Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">Fujitsu North America, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#0066CC">Fujitsu Intellectual Property Center
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">571-216-2112<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:red"><a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 21, 2023 6:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center. <patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I was referring to the order in the image file wrapper after the application has been filed, not the order when you are uploading them prior to filing. We drag and drop one document at a time
so we can control the order they appear in before filing. We rarely have large IDSes. But the inability to reorder them when bulk dragging and dropping is serious flaw.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Randall S. Svihla<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">NSIP Law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>pbrisky--- via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 21, 2023 6:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center. <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>; Orvis <<a href="mailto:orvispc@gmail.com">orvispc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is an option (and I am sorry if someone has mentioned this) that allows you to drag and reorder the files. It used to work and I loved it. The files, when uploaded at once, seem to \u201carrive\u201d based on their filed size or which ever
one is first to upload. The drag and reorder feature does not work anymore. I have tried it at different stages of upload and none of them retain the reorder. It makes review really tedious for the filing attorney, especially with large IDSes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">Pamela Cei Brisky<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">Senior Patent Paralegal/Docketing Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">Fujitsu North America, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#0066CC">Fujitsu Intellectual Property Center
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:red"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D">571-216-2112<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#0563C1">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Fujitsu Infinity Pro Italic";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Schafer via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 21, 2023 6:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Orvis <<a href="mailto:orvispc@gmail.com">orvispc@gmail.com</a>>; For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center. <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Richard Schafer <<a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com">richard@schafer-ip.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">It\u2019s a bug if you ever want to compare the IFW with what you uploaded. You\u2019ll spend more time comparing two differently ordered lists of items, even though
the PTO might get those items into the IFW marginally faster.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">I can easily understand why a developer would think asynchronous processing makes sense. But that\u2019s what\u2019s so often wrong with the PTO\u2019s developer-centric
approach since the developer has no idea how practitioners work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">And, of course, my guess about how Patent Center processes uploaded files could be completely wrong.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best regards,<br>
<b>Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law</b></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223<br>
M: 832.283.6564 | </span><a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#0563C1">richard@schafer-ip.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Orvis <<a href="mailto:orvispc@gmail.com">orvispc@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 21, 2023 5:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center. <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Richard Schafer <<a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com">richard@schafer-ip.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That sounds like a feature, not a bug.
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Nov 21, 2023 5:59:03 PM Richard Schafer via Patentcenter <</span><a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">This is just a guess since no one outside of the PTO and its contractors knows how Patent Center works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">EFS may have sequentially processed each document, leading to them showing in the IFW in their uploaded order. Occasionally, some documents may have required
special handling, which required pulling them out of order.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">Patent Center may be multi-threaded, with each document being processed asynchronously. That may lead to random ordering in the IFW.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">Asynchronous processing of each document makes sense from a developer\u2019s perspective because it may use computational resources more efficiently. But from the
applicant\u2019s perspective, the result is a mess for anyone trying to compare what is in the IFW with what was uploaded.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best regards,<br>
<b>Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law</b></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223<br>
M: 832.283.6564 | </span><a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif">richard@schafer-ip.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 21, 2023 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> users of Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentcenter] Patent Center does not show documents in the order they were uploaded<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi, fellow Patent Center victims</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">When we file a new application, we upload documents in a standard order. For example, we uploaded the following documents in the following order for a new application we filed today:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ADS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Utility Transmittal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Application (single PDF document including specification, claims, abstract)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Drawings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Declaration</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">POA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IDS Statement</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IDS Form</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Ref 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Ref 2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Ref 3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Ref 4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">When we filed new applications in the sainted EFS-Web of blessed memory, they would generally appear in the image file wrapper in the same order we upload them, although occasionally the POA
and IDS Statement would be out of order. This made it easy to do a quick visual check that all of the documents were in the image file wrapper.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">However, for the new application we just filed in the hated p.o.s. Patent Center, the documents appear in the following random order in the image file wrapper:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ADS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Reference 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Reference 4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IDS Form</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Declaration</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Drawings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">POA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Reference 3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Utility Transmittal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Electronic Acknowledgement Receipt</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Foreign Reference 2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Electronic Payment Receipt</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Specification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Claims</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Abstract</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IDS Statement</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">WHY????????????????????</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Randall S. Svihla</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">NSIP Law</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Washington, D.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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