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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#993366'>Well, now I’m probably jinxed, but we don’t file QPIDS. We work hard to make sure we have already submitted material information before we pay the issue fee. However, if we found prior art that needed to be disclosed we’d file the RCE and go that route.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:navy'>______________________</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>Sandra L Etherton</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>Registered U.S. Patent Attorney</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>ETHERTON LAW GROUP, LLC</span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>tel: (602) 681-3331 | fax: (602) 681-3339 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>email: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'><a href="mailto:sandra@ethertonlaw.com"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>sandra@ethertonlaw.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>www.ethertonlaw.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Patentcenter [mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentcenter<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 4, 2024 9:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center. <patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] fax receipt from Patent Office?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>What about those instances when you are required to use a deposit account, such as when filing a QPIDS IDS?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Randall S. Svihla<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>NSIP Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Washington, D.C.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sandra L Etherton via Patentcenter<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 4, 2024 11:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Dan Feigelson' <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com">djf@iliplaw.com</a>>; 'For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center.' <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Sandra L Etherton <<a href="mailto:sandra@ethertonlaw.com">sandra@ethertonlaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] fax receipt from Patent Office?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Yet another reason we use credit cards instead of a deposit account. Much better from a cash management standpoint, among other reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Dan Feigelson [<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com">mailto:djf@iliplaw.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 3, 2024 11:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center. <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Sandra L Etherton <<a href="mailto:sandra@ethertonlaw.com">sandra@ethertonlaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] fax receipt from Patent Office?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><img border=0 width=1 height=1 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.jpg@01DA3EFC.1AD7EC50" alt="Image removed by sender."></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I wouldn't worry about the PTO losing money on interest. As Carl has noted many times, it forces people to grant it interest-free loans in the form of deposit accounts, which are the only way of paying certain fees and must maintain a $1000 balance to avoid the PTO deducting $25 at the end of each month. So either the PTO is collecting the nominal interest rate on the deposit (which can be substantially larger than $1000), or it collects interest (from the user) in excess of 2.5% <b>per month</b>. If that's not a racket I don't know what is. <br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 2:52 AM Sandra L Etherton via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>An update from Dec 18 fax event: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Several people emailed me outside of this listserve about whether they regularly got a faxback receipts from the PTO. Some said yes; some said no. Thank you all for your input.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I never did get a faxback receipt from the Patent Office, but the credit card charge went through for the fees about 48 hours after I faxed it in.* As Carl said, follow the money! The new POA and petition have not been uploaded, though, and the patent still shows as expired for failing to timely pay the maintenance fee.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>*I suspect there’s damage to the public and PTO because fees were not deposited timely due to Patent Center not accepting e-filing for this. Instead, the fees were charged two days later than they could have been. I’m no cash management guru, but I assume the PTO gets paid interest on its deposits. Hypothetically, with simple 3% interest on $1640 fee for 2 days, the Patent Office lost ~$0.25 in interest on my submission. That adds up if fees for many submissions aren’t being deposited as quickly as they had been when EFS was live.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sandra<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>