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<p>Exactly. USPTO needs to correct this design defect in QPIDS.
See <a href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/improving-qpids/"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://blog.oppedahl.com/improving-qpids/</a>
where I raised this need on January 14, 2016. Yeah, seven years
have passed now since I pointed out this design defect and USPTO
has done nothing about it. Here is what I wrote:</p>
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summary:</p>
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<li style="box-sizing: inherit;">USPTO should permit the QPIDS
filer to pay both fees up front using the payment mechanism of
the filer’s choice.</li>
<li style="box-sizing: inherit;">USPTO should <strong
style="box-sizing: inherit; font-weight: 700;"><em
style="box-sizing: inherit; font-style: italic;">promptly</em></strong><span> </span>refund
the appropriate fee rather than sitting on the money for six
months and forcing the filer to have to ask for the refund.</li>
<li style="box-sizing: inherit;">USPTO should extend QPIDS to
make it usable in design cases.</li>
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<p>Carl<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/4/2024 9:42 AM, Randall Svihla via
Patentcenter wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">What
about those instances when you are required to use a
deposit account, such as when filing a <span
class="SpellE">QPIDS</span> IDS?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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S. Svihla<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">NSIP
Law<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Washington,
D.C.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">
Patentcenter
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style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Sandra L Etherton via Patentcenter<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, January 4, 2024 11:38 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'Dan
Feigelson' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com"><djf@iliplaw.com></a>; 'For bug reports,
feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent
Center.' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Sandra L Etherton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sandra@ethertonlaw.com"><sandra@ethertonlaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yet
another reason we use credit cards instead of a deposit
account. Much better from a cash management standpoint,
among other reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Dan
Feigelson [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com">mailto:djf@iliplaw.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, January 3, 2024 11:05 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For bug
reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about
Patent Center. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Sandra L
Etherton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sandra@ethertonlaw.com"><sandra@ethertonlaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Patentcenter] fax receipt from Patent Office?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">I wouldn't worry about the
PTO losing money on interest. As Carl has noted many
times, it forces people to grant it interest-free
loans in the form of deposit accounts, which are the
only way of paying certain fees and must maintain a
$1000 balance to avoid the PTO deducting $25 at the
end of each month. So either the PTO is collecting the
nominal interest rate on the deposit (which can be
substantially larger than $1000), or it collects
interest (from the user) in excess of 2.5% <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">per month</span></b>. If
that's not a racket I don't know what is.
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style="font-size:12.0pt">On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at
2:52 AM Sandra L Etherton via Patentcenter <<a
href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">An
update from Dec 18 fax event:
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Several
people emailed me outside of this listserve
about whether they regularly got a faxback
receipts from the PTO. Some said yes; some
said no. Thank you all for your input.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
never did get a faxback receipt from the
Patent Office, but the credit card charge went
through for the fees about 48 hours after I
faxed it in.* As Carl said, follow the money!
The new POA and petition have not been
uploaded, though, and the patent still shows
as expired for failing to timely pay the
maintenance fee.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Arial" color="#1f497d"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">*I
suspect there’s damage to the public and PTO
because fees were not deposited timely due to
Patent Center not accepting e-filing for this.
Instead, the fees were charged two days later
than they could have been. I’m no cash
management guru, but I assume the PTO gets
paid interest on its deposits. Hypothetically,
with simple 3% interest on $1640 fee for 2
days, the Patent Office lost ~$0.25 in
interest on my submission. That adds up if
fees for many submissions aren’t being
deposited as quickly as they had been when EFS
was live.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">Sandra<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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