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Perhaps attributing to "scaling" is conjecture beyond the data. What's
not disputable is that almost always PAIR could see EFS-Web filings
almost instantaneously.  Almost always.  And also not disputable is
that the two sides of Patent Center almost always have a lag of multiple
hours (I had one that went about 20 hours of nail biting a couple weeks
ago).
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 12:57 PM Richard Schafer via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg6525218310692388649">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I did see that happen with EFS & PAIR once a few years ago. The response I got from the EBC agent was very similar: she could see the filing had occurred, but some backend
glitch had prevented PAIR from picking it up. She escalated the problem and by the next day the missing uploaded documents were present in PAIR. Remember that none of these systems are monolithic, but involve lots of pieces that have to communicate with each
other.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I don’t see any reason to believe this is a scaling problem. More likely, it’s some race condition that occasionally occurs between two backend pieces of software that prevents
one from communicating some event to the other. When that happens, the handoff of files from one program to the other don’t complete correctly and the system doesn’t know how to fix that without manual intervention, such as restarting some handoff procedure.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best regards,<br>
<b>Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law</b></span><span style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223<br>
M: 832.283.6564 | </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">richard@schafer-ip.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 16, 2024 6:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center. <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com" target="_blank">djf@iliplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Patentcenter does not scale well<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't recall this ever happening with PAIR. I do recall that sometimes it would take some time for a new application to show up associated with my customer number, but that in such cases, if I searched for the particular application by
application number, I could see it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only glitch I recall in PAIR with seeing newly-filed stuff was that sometimes, in big IDS uploads, the prior art publications wouldn't show up for like a week. But I had the EFS acknowledgement showing what I'd uploaded.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Water under the bridge. PTO has decided it's ok to [expletive] everyone, and this is not an area that affects enough people to be of interest to people in Congress, nor is the cost for any individual to challenge the PTO worth it in comparison
to the cost of compliance with the new, crappy "improvements". <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The next shoe drops tomorrow with "docx", and then next week they're killing PTAS for who knows what.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:02<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM Katherine Koenig via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">This is very sad. The other day I filed two applications. Neither immediately appeared after filing, as you describe, but one did appear by the next morning. I called the AAU to ask about the second one (I
called at 8:30am, as soon as AAU opened, and still was on hold for nearly 45 minutes). I was told that "it appears that the application got stuck in the back-end of Patent Center." She escalated the issue and messaged some IT person who could help, and it
did show in my workbench within 24 hours. She assured me that this kind of thing happened in PAIR as well, and that it's random, and that there's nothing we can do to prevent it from happening again. I never remember this issue in PAIR, but perhaps I just
never experienced that luck of the draw. Has this happened to anyone else while using PAIR, or is it a Patent Center thing?<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Katherine<br>
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Dr. Katherine Koenig<br>
Registered Patent Attorney<br>
Koenig IP Works, PLLC<br>
2208 Mariner Dr.<br>
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316<br>
(954) 903-1699<br>
<a href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com" target="_blank">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a><br>
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