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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">I think that is a bit overstated. If the client has been advised, the choice is up to them. It is not malpractice to follow a client’s instructions if they have been advised of the consequences.
There are a lot of solo inventors and small companies that are very concerned about costs. I have also had midsized clients that will likewise save money. A lot also depends on what you are trying to patent, it would seem that an application with chemical
or other formulas is at a much higher risk than a simple mechanical case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Declarations and DOCX filing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I seriously doubt that, unless the firm is one of those that relies upon volume business from "one off" sole inventors and drafts applications and claims that
are either not infringeable or trivially circumvented just to get the revenue, in which case, I say good riddance to bad rubbish, and when such an inventor comes to me to assert a patent from such a firm that filed in DOCX and the patent is hosed because of
what the PTO did, I will tell them to sue the firm who did so for malpractice.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/18/2024 4:30 PM, Randall Svihla via Patentcenter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Some firms might lose all of their clients in response to such an ultimatum.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter <a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">
<patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Straussman via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 18, 2024 4:17 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Declarations and DOCX filing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Point taken, although if you clearly spell it out the limitation of what you are reviewing and why it is not reliable due to what the PTO does, I am not sure
that there is an implied warranty - especially if they acknowledge that they are acting expressly contrary to your advice, and that you are doing it as a "courtesy" and the charge is simply because time must be expended to do so, even though it may be futile.<br>
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I am still investigating if NY and NJ law allows one to absolve oneself in this type of manner from liability. If not, then it is PDF and pay the fee or get new counsel.
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BTW - virtually all of my clients qualify as "small entity" so they only face a $160 charge, so if cost is a factor, they WILL always opt for the PDF route, as it will always be cheaper. The "large entity" clients will follow my advice.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/18/2024 4:06 PM, David Boundy wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would not take the approach Rich recommends. If you charge for proofreading, you give an implied warranty.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But you cannot warrant this. Because of the inherent design of DOCX,
<b><i>you cannot know what the PTO received</i></b>. Any DOCX you review on your computer is necessarily
<b>on your computer</b>. That gives you exactly zero insight into what the very same bits will yield on the PTO's computers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 4:01 PM Richard Straussman via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Some of those, especially "one off" clients, can find a new attorney. For larger clients, I am trying to work up a form along the lines of something like this:
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If you want to file in DOCX, we must have the application complete and ready to file at least 5 days before any due date, we will charge to review the PTO created D2 file at the fixed rate of $50 per text application page and surcharge and additional $25 on
top for reviewing of each formula, table and per page of pseudo code or source code listing (we don't do chemical or biotech cases). We will also create and upload an Auxiliary PDF and retain that file and the message digest for that file for a fixed fee
of $250. <br>
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Alternatively, they must agree to the filing of a provisional application in PDF first (and pay our fee and the Official Fee for doing so) and we will file the DOCX the next day that expressly incorporates the provisional by reference in its entirety.<br>
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We will also provide and send, with the application and declaration, a form that the Applicant MUST sign acknowledging all of the problems and explaining the risks (to them and us) associated with any DOCX filing with or without the Auxiliary PDF or pre-filed
provisional, and that expressly states that we absolutely ONLY recommend filing in PDF, NEVER in DOCX, and that, if they insist on DOCX, they affirmatively acknowledge that they are acting
<u>directly contrary to our express legal advice </u>and, thus, while we will, thereafter, file in that form as a courtesy, thereafter, they assume all responsibility for all negatives that result from that form of filing. Those per-page charges will be itemized
in the sent form and will ALWAYS result in much greater than the $400 surcharge (unless the application is less than 8 pages of pure text without an Aux file) or 3 pages with one (a size I have only filed once in 30 years of practice and, in which case (due
to my practice areas) the risks are probably non-existent), so if they opt for the DOCX route, "stupid is as stupid does." If they refuse, then it is "sorry, get new counsel time."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roseland, NJ 07068<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/18/2024 3:31 PM, Randall Svihla via Patentcenter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Not every firm has clients who will agree to pay the $400 non-DOCX surcharge regardless of the parade of horribles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Boundy via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 18, 2024 3:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center.
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<b>Cc:</b> David Boundy <a href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com" target="_blank">
<DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] Declarations and DOCX filing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For PDF filings we would send the inventors the PDF document and the declaration form. They would choose to sign the declaration if they agreed what was in the PDF specification
and drawings was their invention. We would upload the documents reviewed by the inventors and they would be saved in the USPTO’s electronic system. I suppose it wasn’t actually the documents reviewed by the inventors because the PDFs were changed by flattening
each page to a TIFF image and reassembling as a PDF. But all the ink on the page would be the same but for some halftoning degradation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The USPTO declaration form PTO/AIA/01 for declarations included with the initial filing has the language “As the below named inventor, I hereby declare that: This declaration is
directed to: The attached application.” What the inventor considers as the “attached application” may be different than what becomes the record copy in Patent Center. Does this open up the inventors to risk of fine or imprisonment (or both) if the USPTO systems
change something significant in the DOCX file?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m thinking about creating a declaration form that lists the file name, file size, and SHA-512 hash of the documents (spec and drawings) provided to the inventors. My intention
for this would be to unambiguously link the documents reviewed by the inventors with their statements made in the declaration.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentcenter<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yeah, I imagine most practitioners do always file the declaration with the application. I imagine I am quite out of the ordinary, having to hand in inventors' declarations later.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What happens to me is, I keep fiddling with the text of the patent application, particularly the claims, with multiple version changes leading up to the moment, late in the day on the last possible
day, that I click "submit" and e-file it at the patent office.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The inventor declaration of course is tied to the notion that the signer has reviewed the patent application that is going to be filed, and agrees that he or she is an inventor thereof. But
in my case, given that the exact wording of the application kept wriggling around until the very end, there is no way the inventor could be expected to sign such a thing until after the wriggling had ceased. Which means, no way could the inventor even sign
the declaration until chronologically after the filing of the application had taken place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yet another thing that happens to me is, the instructions come in from foreign instructing counsel to please get something filed at the USPTO. So I prepare inventor declarations and send them
to instructing counsel. The signed declarations do not arrive until some days later, long after the US patent application got filed. Which means, no way could I managed to file the declaration with the application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We always file the declaration with the application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I don’t think it is a joke. I bet there was a huge volume of applications filed Tuesday night to avoid the DOCX tax. We had to file one late at night and had a hell of a time
trying to do so. Couldn’t file the assignment/dec forms with EPAS because of the problems and couldn’t get back into PC to file the declaration directly, so have to pay the surcharge for late filing of declaration because of the PTO problems. In a fair world,
we would be able to get that refunded.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There was recent discussion about faxes to the PTO and return faxes from the PTO.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Because of yesterday’s shit show with Patent Center and because of other deficiencies in Patent Center, I had to fax four separate submissions to the PTO last night.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I did receive acknowledgment faxes back from the PTO for each submission. So, that legacy functionality is still there, and it still worked for me. (I hope the PTO lurkers on
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