<div dir="ltr"><div>You are right that I shouldn't need an auxiliary PDF in this case, but I filed one for a couple of reasons:</div><div><br></div><div>(1) Although I would hope that the USPTO has safeguards in place to prevent DOCX files from being modified, who knows? If someone along the line were to delete the IBR paragraph from the DOCX file, whether accidentally or intentionally, I would be able to rely on the auxiliary PDF to prove the IBR statement was there on the filing date.<br></div><div><br></div><div>(2) I have made it a policy never to file DOCX without an accompanying auxiliary PDF file. I like having processes in place whereby I always do the same thing the same way, because I believe it reduces the likelihood of errors. Having to file DOCX for clients who insist on it already required development of a new filing checklist, and I don't want to have variants of that checklist in play.</div><div><br></div><div>As you can tell, I'm a fan of belts and suspenders.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Krista</div><div> <br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 8:21 AM Suzannah K. Sundby <<a href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com">suzannah@canadylortz.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-6622523195090536719">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hmm.<span>
</span>Don’t know about your specific error message…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But, I’m curious as to why the need to file the auxiliary PDF
<i>when</i> a continuation or divisional and you have the requisite incorporation by reference paragraph in the spec for the CON/DIV?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Seems to me that the parent application itself is all the ‘protection’ one needs…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssundby/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Suzannah
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] venting about Patent Center<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To add to the Patent Crapper stupidity, yesterday I filed a continuation that incorporated by reference the parent (filed as a PDF), so the client instructed me to file DOCX with an auxiliary PDF. It took until today to be able to see the
application in PC, but at least it did finally show up (though had something gone wrong, I obviously wouldn't have been able to fix it on the filing date, which is super-annoying and yet another way PC increases risk for practitioners).
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<p class="MsoNormal">This morning, I clicked the box to download the IFW as a single PDF file, and the following (ironic, no?) message popped up:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fine, whatever. So I clicked download and saved the PDF file.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now, however, I'm trying to download an issue notification in a
<u>different</u> application filed pre-non-DOCX penalty, and guess what happens when I click just the single "PDF" link for the issue notification? Yes, even though I'm trying to download a single PDF file in a different application that wasn't filed as DOCX,
PC is popping the same warning message:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can't figure out how to stop this behavior, short of logging out and logging in again. I ended up "printing" the issue notification to PDF.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As usual, bang up job, USPTO!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:57<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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up to everything the USPTO said it would be.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I just now tried to view or download a document from a FW and … nothing … like watching crap spin around and around in the toilet
bowl.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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K. Sundby</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:rgb(27,27,27)">Posted at <a href="https://www.uspto.gov/blog/ebiz/entry/current-events1054" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:rgb(0,94,162)">07:10AM Feb 29, 2024</span></b></a> in Current Status | </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had the same ridiculous message yesterday in trying to download a document in the Patent Center. After waiting ten seconds, I tried again and the download worked. <u></u><u></u></p>
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us that it is in IFW.<u></u><u></u></p>
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error message popped up. It is not clear to me what exactly the error is, so I guess I should click "close".<u></u><u></u></p>
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