<img width="1" height="1" src='https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/op/_q7mVxJcfQ0r1Z7FLOwWBaBK4-_2ltK3PKekYg8WVxfIvdAInL6kBOfiEqSa63-O1YOQxtenr7FnhRxKIKtpwFDnl7Sh4XCq1NTyqXDOuXP_pNYHZ-oDNxEB0kKvkIaNNeVcQP5fOQv1cA6ElW09E-Ef-EsSNKjxN4Vj4dX8181A9IHgxL8re_LH9iTCz6hfhMDAylWMueOcqZv1bkUP2nxeRDyIDrmy_w' /><div dir="ltr"><div>How about for fee purposes not counting refs that were reported in the parent case and thus, by the PTO's own MPEP, the examiner is already obligated to consider (and that, practically, the examiner has already seen in the parent case, since continuations usually go to the same examiner)?</div><div><br></div><div>DJF<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 5:56 AM Gerry Peters via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">...also troubling is proposed surcharge based on number of refs<br>
listed on an IDS (nondiscountable $200, $500, or $800 for up to 100,<br>
200, or 200+ refs). <br>
<br>
How about not requiring practitioner to inform examiner of all related<br>
apps filed with very same USPTO at which examiner works, as well as<br>
all ostensibly material refs cited in those related apps, before<br>
requiring applicant to pay surcharge for fulfilling duty imposed on<br>
practitioner by same USPTO?<br>
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---Gerry<br>
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 11:32:31 +0900<br>
From: Gerry Peters <<a href="mailto:gerrypeters@jttpatent.com" target="_blank">gerrypeters@jttpatent.com</a>><br>
To: Patent Center <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
Cc: Doreen Trujillo <<a href="mailto:DTrujillo@vlplawgroup.com" target="_blank">DTrujillo@vlplawgroup.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] Patent backlogs<br>
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Doreen writes:<br>
> Maybe the USPTO should put a hold on the fees for alleged<br>
> “late-filed” continuing applications (filed more than five years<br>
> after the earliest benefit date) until they get this sorted out.<br>
<br>
Hadn't heard about that (I know: I _do_ live in a cave...by choice <g>).<br>
Seriously, thanks for mentioning it. <br>
<br>
Now I know:<br>
$2,200 "late-filed" surcharge (large entity) if filed more than five<br>
years after earliest benefit date. $3,500 "late-filed" surcharge (large<br>
entity) if filed more than eight years after earliest benefit date<br>
(proposed rulemaking by PTO for fee changes to be implemented in 2025).<br>
<br>
Yikes ... is reminiscent of Tafas v. Dudas:<br>
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<a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/cO79qVKZmmr3_V2PNWIeLelhBxNzydvT9r38EOO5cuWuOxpJ-OjPZSwdnCYx349R6IT8V7JedJsIQDjo7mJQGQMvd_bDkFVpaO1ZWbIZiEey6iMaasoACSJxl75NKuEv7l9pFfJ8t4pDwdgrZMiQvBSwLoxsCc4NjLZcV0_9yzQ2Vx-pNLEENamNZWgfV46Hc5A4NHDY7TDL4oiRCDlXo7Fhl8rSbPegL4oCEwd1B-ilREM5EPucS_3GP3-unMb8G3-5RKA3YFdnYsvSB8EjwV3D3cT1Hw3IzyrMnkekAKnrVTuJBczshZTUr-irwyn_srNqkbN_xGr_aAfh3ah62_DrzdoE4JF0l1dv9xTrxWn52_-UnKvy2scp6mbQ4czvG1-mZixb-z66" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ipwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/tafas-v-dudasdoll-5-years-later-but-still-very-pertinent/id=27526/</a><br>
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---Gerry<br>
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 16:24:59 +0000<br>
From: Doreen Trujillo via Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
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<<a href="mailto:DTrujillo@vlplawgroup.com" target="_blank">DTrujillo@vlplawgroup.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] Patent backlogs<br>
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Thanks, Katherine!<br>
<br>
Maybe the USPTO should put a hold on the fees for alleged "late-filed"<br>
continuing applications (filed more than five years after the earliest<br>
benefit date) until they get this sorted out.<br>
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Doreen<br>
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From: Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> On Behalf<br>
Of Katherine Koenig via Patentcenter Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024<br>
11:41 AM To: users of Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
Cc: Katherine Koenig <<a href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com" target="_blank">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Patentcenter] Patent backlogs<br>
<br>
I just called the AAU to ask the status of two applications that have<br>
been in Central Docket since 2022. The AAU representative told me<br>
they're instructed to transfer these inquiries to the Ombuds Office so<br>
they can help these old applications get "unstuck." When I spoke with<br>
the Ombuds Office, I was told that they won't do anything to advance<br>
applications until they've been with Central Docket for at least 24<br>
months, and even then, action can take several more months.<br>
<br>
This apparently is because the USPTO is down "thousands of Examiners"<br>
and is actively recruiting to bring the numbers back up. I'd never<br>
heard the hard 24-month guidance, so wanted to pass it along - you'll<br>
likely be wasting your time if you call about an application that's<br>
been sitting for a shorter time than that. If this saves someone a<br>
30-minute hold with AAU (why do they still play the AIA message from<br>
2012?), I've done my good deed for the day.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Katherine<br>
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