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<p>Sometimes when Patent Center behaves weirdly, the explanation
turns out to be the passive-aggressive way that Patent Center logs
you out. It counts down the time until it decides you need to be
logged out. And then it logs you out. But, and this is the
important thing, it does not tell you that it did so.</p>
<p>Meanwhile the Patent Center screen that you see looks for all the
world like a screen where you ought to be able to click and do
things. And instead, when you click to do this or that, Patent
Center sort of plays dumb and gives nonsense answers. Examples
are "unknown error" in red text. Or "you have no applications
matching this search strategy" or "you have no outgoing
correspondence". In general the answer is either (a) flatly false
or (b) wildly unhelpful.</p>
<p>I wonder if your "no recent correspondence" was due to one of the
passive-aggressive logouts? And then somehow eventually you
clicked something that shamed Patent Center into
auto-logging-you-back-in. And then you have outgoing
correspondence listed on the screen. The way you would know, I
suppose, is by clicking back to the seven-day report (after
viewing the 30-day report) and see if now there is something
actually listed.</p>
<p>Oh and I have not put a stopwatch on it, but I think the
passive-aggressive logouts from Patent Center sometimes happen as
little as ten minutes after my last user activity. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/2024 10:08 AM, Jeff Lindsay
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When I log into the PatentCenter today, it shows no recent
correspondence for the past 7 days, but when I view correspondence
from the past 30 days, there are three items that were mailed on
Friday, Sept. 27. Today is Wednesday, Oct. 2, so Sept 25. is 6 day
ago. Does the USPTO use a special definition of \u201c7 days\u201d?
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<div class="">On Oct 17, 2023, at 8:15 AM, Andrea R.
Jacobson via Patentcenter <<a
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class="">I would say it\u2019s entirely different. While
the default view of imaged in the \u201clast 3 days\u201d view
is a frustration, prior to today every time I would
change the view to be e-Notifications > Today, it
would \u2013 as expected - mirror the emails that I had
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class="">It\u2019s concerning that an item in the email
notification is not included in the e-Notification
view and that I had to actually change to the imaging
view to see it. I cannot get any adjustment to
e-Notification view to show it (even explaining to the
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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<p class="">I wonder if this is at least partially
addressed in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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<p class="">There is also the lack of truthfulness on
the part of the USPTO about "mailing dates" these
days.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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class="">So here\u2019s a new one \u2026. One of our customer
number indicated in the correspondence notification
email (image 1) that it had received a NOA, 892, and
1449. BUT, when I go in to Patent Center and view
the outgoing correspondence e-Notification for
today, the 1449 does not appear in the listing
(image 2) I changed the e-Notification date to the
last 3 days and still no luck. When I changed it
to All Correspondence > Image Date > Last 7
days it finally appeared (image 3) and indicates the
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