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<p>I am going to delete "patentpractice" from this thread and keep
it in "patentcenter".</p>
<p>At the risk of stating the obvious, if the public cannot see that
a recordation took place, then it serves little or no purpose in
terms of giving notice to the public.</p>
<p>When I was first in practice, the actual meaning of "reel and
frame number" that it denoted a microfilm reel that you could look
at by visiting any one of the fifty or so Patent and Trademark
Depository Libraries. You would get the reel, put it in a viewer,
and zip over to the frame number. And there lo and behold you
could see the recorded document.</p>
<p>This was basically a Distributed Ledger long before anyone had
coined the term. Or bit-coined it.</p>
<p>I wonder if the USPTO now, in 2025, maintains the distribution of
the microfilm reels to the PTDLs.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/26/2025 9:05 AM, Katherine Koenig
via Patentcenter wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Erin, they told me the same thing
when I\u2019d asked about assignments not appearing in the
reel/frame (or other) search. I\u2019m paraphrasing, but the
response was something like, \u201cif you received a notice of
recordation with a reel/frame number, it\u2019s been recorded.
It doesn\u2019t matter that the public can\u2019t see it.\u201d
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Katherine</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Erin Geraghty via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 26, 2025 9:57 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately, sometimes it is not even in
assignment center, even when you have the NORA in hand. I
called and asked about this a few months ago, and they said
yes, it happens sometimes and not to worry about it if I had
the NORA. I tried to explain that this is problematic, and
they didn\u2019t want to hear it. </p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [External Sender][Patentcenter] why do
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm logged into patentcenter, looking
at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment
information they have on record. When I click on
"assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent
Center only displays assignment information for non-public
applications to user authorized to access the application.
This application is open to the public. Please use
Assignment Search to search assignment information for
applications open to the public.
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href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com_tr_cl_qDWCtG6Wkuj28lFflftt9fYKtX2z96paJyy5tBrZvk-5FYJhRx4Qh9vKGxxyc3LRKcjW74-2DRNf1AFgNTKkb409cfhtSSU-2D4Ds6XOd1fu8sWKIj66IrcOcYb000tHuDTUQDfsgDZ1AiLPudI0Ds4dqOaYBU-5FailyaKcm5YAeacDbrIxl4a3Qjdy8C-5FD0dm73ETRXvsHSY-5Fllc5-2DFNFQtEPay2p5OyeOVbU48Vi0XRQVyQtbQE4wSGH2zLstmb43NK3sCncJklAmOvqUTmF4dJGYxCJ-5FErYyltcj93VAYDRTqVJRxA5Hc0ErRw57EAqulljvZmxv11kdSljFssnGexs&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=laE26KlATwcl6WmS-u-lWOwRzUwWk0awqjzSi3uodMc&m=YTHllzVfwir7HUnq2TWN7Uk8bKeL4LnxYbBTXhbxitO-FIJuDw27Td3Nkhpo3O0T&s=g0Bt9YNLp1hqFtE9643Z3moxpHm1mMr-fD61Qt8Jwro&e="
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https://assignment.uspto.gov/patent/index.html#/patent/search</a>". </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Inasmuch as from within
patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info
for my
<b>un</b>published applications, it's clear
that whoever wrote the notice was <i>trying</i> to
say, "The application you're looking at has
published, so we're not making assignment
information available to you in Patent
Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah
nyeah."</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Quite a contrast from what
we saw earlier in the week with Mike
Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant
email field in ePCT...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan</p>
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