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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’m stilll trying to figure it out. Are no electronic signatures okay?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Not Docusign-type signatures?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What is a "qualified electronic signature," and is that okay?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does this requirement only apply to transfers once already in the EPO? Or will it be applied to all signatures (on assignments) used to reach the EPO?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Inventor assigns first application to Company. Company files PCT application (Company = applicant). Company enters European regional phase off PCT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does it matter how the inventor signed the assignment to the company?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Reply-To: </b>"For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:03 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Patentpractice] inventor address on patent assignment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for sending the decision. Wow. 20 plus pages to decide if an electronic signature is really a signature. Apparently not.
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Nov 20, 2023 7:45:00 PM Maureen Mazza via Patentpractice <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Link to the Sept 4, 2023 decision:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="https://legacy.epo.org/boards-of-appeal/decisions/pdf/j230005eu1.pdf">https://legacy.epo.org/boards-of-appeal/decisions/pdf/j230005eu1.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please send a link to this EPO decision requiring handwritten signatures on assignments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Jim Boff <<a href="mailto:jboff@atllp.co.uk">jboff@atllp.co.uk</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, November 20, 2023 at 6:44 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"E. Victor Indiano" <<a href="mailto:vic@im-iplaw.com">vic@im-iplaw.com</a>>, "James E. Lake" <<a href="mailto:jel@randalldanskin.com">jel@randalldanskin.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>"
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<p class="MsoNormal">On top of which, a recent decision of the EPO Boards of Appeal overturned a decision of the EPO President, and held that only handwritten signatures were effective on assignments, not electronic signatures.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One more poop on the pile we have to shovel. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You will have to ask this question of each foreign associate in the states where your client may wish to file. Send them your draft assignment
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In my experience, it is very difficult to anticipate all of the possible informalities in a single assignment form that covers every foreign
state. If you start with a proper assignment, then it should require the assignor to cooperate in preparing follow-on assignments complying to local rules. Depending on where you file, the biggest problem you may have is not enough originally-signed and notarized
copies if you file in any states that are not parties to the Hague Convention on Apostilles
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">That said, I generally list the assignor residence city, state, and country only and, if necessary, mailing address as their office address,
often the same as the assignee (corporate) residence address. When some foreign associate assignment forms I received asked for an assignor address, I used their office mailing addresses, the same as the assignee and have not received a complaint.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">As most of you are likely aware, the USPTO does not require the assignor's address to be provided on a patent assignment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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