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<patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>George Jakobsche via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 1, 2023 3:57 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> George Jakobsche <george@jakobschelaw.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] The use of "and/or" in claims<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">For whatever it is worth, my template patent application includes the following boilerplate language:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">As used herein, including in the claims, the term “and/or,” used in connection with a list of items or categories, means one or more of the items or categories in the list, i.e.,
at least one of the items or categories in the list, but not necessarily all the items in the list and not necessarily one item from each category in the list. As used herein, including in the claims, the term “or,” used in connection with a list of items
or categories, means one or more of the items or categories in the list, i.e., at least one of the items or categories in the list, but not necessarily all the items in the list and not necessarily one item from each category in the list. “Or” does not mean
“exclusive or,” and “or” does not mean “at least one from each (category).”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">George<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">George Jakobsche Patent Counsel PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font></b><font size="3" color="black" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of Bryan McWhorter via Patentpractice <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span></b>Friday, December 1, 2023 at 2:24</span></font><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></font><font size="3" color="black" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">PM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span></b>Re: [Patentpractice] The use of "and/or" in claims<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I generally agree with you David, though I take issue with the BRI of "and/or" being "or" (potentially in an exclusive sense, though the examiner does not seem to say). It's
true that and/or <i><span style="font-style:italic">encompasses</span></i> 'exclusive or', and so this interpretation may work for art-based rejections (at least to some extent). But for other sections--Section 112 for example--or for more complicated 103
questions, it's important to remember that "exclusive or" is <i><span style="font-style:italic">not
</span></i>the broadest reasonable interpretation of "and/or".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To be clear, I concur that 'and/or' is not in any way open to multiple interpretations. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bryan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 10:57 AM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">PL> questions examiners interpretation of and/or<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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I agree with the several comments that the examiner's interpretation is the correct "broadest reasonable interpretation"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">RS> So we agree using "and/or" in claims is open to multiple interpretations<br>
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I disagree EMPHATICALLY with RS. "and/or" has one and only one meaning, "inclusive or." Naked "or" is ambiguous, either "inclusive or" or "exclusive or" with no predictable rhyme or reeason. A cynic could easily conclude that --<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Naked "or" means "exclusive or" if the defendant raises a non-infringement defense. Naked "or" means "inclusive or" if the defendant raises an invalidity defense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I NEVER use naked "or." I always use something that is unambiguous -- "and/or" often is my choice. If the examiner says this is indefinite, I often cite Gross, see Bryan Wheelock's
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">You also have to watch out for forms that can mean "any one of x y or z in pure form, no mixtures or alloys." Any ambiguity gives a defendant a free option to choose invalidity
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:09 PM Randy Smith via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So we agree using "and/or" in claims is open to multiple interpretations. If you don't want to create a potential $$$litigation issue, use unambiguous language like "at least
one of A, B or C" as suggested below. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree the examiner uses the broadest interpretation in prosecution so he/she just needs a reference with any of them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 10:04 Patent Lawyer via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">We've seen this before, but I cannot find the discussion.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">In an office action, an examiner writes:</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-style:italic">All claim limitations that include "and/or" are interpreted
as "or". If applicant disagrees with this interpretation, they are invited to amend the "and/or" to "and".</span></font></i><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I believe the examiner is wrong! And I will point that out.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">BUT I recall that there was some case that discussed this.
</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I would appreciate a pointer to a case or other reference discussing this issue.
</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Thanks in advance.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:09 PM Randy Smith via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So we agree using "and/or" in claims is open to multiple interpretations. If you don't want to create a potential $$$litigation issue, use unambiguous language like "at least
one of A, B or C" as suggested below. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree the examiner uses the broadest interpretation in prosecution so he/she just needs a reference with any of them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">We've seen this before, but I cannot find the discussion.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">In an office action, an examiner writes:</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-style:italic">All claim limitations that include "and/or" are interpreted
as "or". If applicant disagrees with this interpretation, they are invited to amend the "and/or" to "and".</span></font></i><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I believe the examiner is wrong! And I will point that out.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">BUT I recall that there was some case that discussed this.
</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I would appreciate a pointer to a case or other reference discussing this issue.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Thanks in advance.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:09 PM Randy Smith via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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one of A, B or C" as suggested below. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree the examiner uses the broadest interpretation in prosecution so he/she just needs a reference with any of them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">We've seen this before, but I cannot find the discussion.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">In an office action, an examiner writes:</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-style:italic">All claim limitations that include "and/or" are interpreted
as "or". If applicant disagrees with this interpretation, they are invited to amend the "and/or" to "and".</span></font></i><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I believe the examiner is wrong! And I will point that out.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">BUT I recall that there was some case that discussed this.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I would appreciate a pointer to a case or other reference discussing this issue.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Thanks in advance.</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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