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-- since you have PatentBots (good!) -- 2 thoughts with this
Examiner:</div>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">1) Can
you find an analagous case the Examiner has allowed? Use that to
find out what really moves the Examiner's opinion. Sometimes you
find surprising tidbits.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">2) What
is the Examiner's success at PTAB? Sometimes it's surprisingly low
--> plan for Appeal but make sure winning args are prepped
first. Sometimes it's surprising how an Examiner changes mind when
writing reply brief -- again, might consider steering to Appeal.
Examiner highly successful at appeal? see #1. Also, look at <i>history</i>
of apps that were appealed on PB. Sometimes very helpful.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">Re:
diff examiner -- I've never tried this exactly, BUT I have had
success with new apps with PB's Art Unit Steering... <br>
I've been wondering if you might not be able to write a CIP and
draft the claims using PB Art Unit Steering to get into a
different art unit?<br>
Curious if anybody has tried this.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">Also --
SPE is usually artificially low. Not uncommon for '0%' allowance.
I think it's because they don't get credit for NOAs once they're a
SPE.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">On
12/5/2023 7:42 PM, Katherine Koenig via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m prosecuting a US-inbound case for a
mechanical product. I’ve had a terrible go with the Examiner,
who appears to be steered by his SPE’s opinion about the
case. According to PatentBots, the Examiner has a 64% 3-year
grant rate (slightly lower than his art unit) and his SPE has
a <b><u>0%</u> </b>3-year grant rate (slightly lower than
[insert villain here]). The client is an FA, and he and his
client are both really hoping for a better chance of
patentability.
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<p class="MsoNormal">My understanding is that there’s no way to
request a different Examiner, and even DIVs, CONs, and CIPs
are likely to be assigned to the same Examiner. The only way
to get a different Examiner is to present claims that would
move the application to a different art unit. Is this
correct? I hope someone has a magic strategy that I don’t
know about!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Statistically, does the PTAB uphold a
rejection more often than it reverses? Any input or
suggestions would be welcome, thank you!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Katherine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Dr.
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