<div dir="ltr"><div>So what are the options for passive aggressive compliance that forces the PTO to use the PDF just as they always have?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ten years ago, there was a way to open a PDF, and "Save as Word" and what you'd get was pages that were each bitmap images, just stored in a .doc container instead of in a .pdf container. Totally useless. Ten years ago, I had a legal assistant that would do that -- which drove me crazy at the time, Now it's PERFECT.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:59 PM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 12/21/2023 1:29 PM, Tim Ackermann via Patentcenter wrote:<br>
> What if I accidentally filed PDF images of my Abstract, Specification, <br>
> and Claims as "Figures, other than black & white"? And then amended <br>
> the drawings to remove those accidental images?<br>
<br>
I am migrating this over to the Patent Practice listserv which is the <br>
right place for it.<br>
<br>
The Patentcenter listserv is for bugs and feature requests and <br>
workarounds relating to Patent Center.<br>
<br>
Now to return to the topic.<br>
<br>
So what we are talking about is the process of submitting a trusted PDF <br>
along with the untrusted Microsoft Word file. The reason for handing in <br>
the untrusted Microsoft Word file is to avoid having to pay the $400 <br>
penalty. The reason for handing in the trusted PDF file is, well, <br>
because it can actually be trusted.<br>
<br>
Except not. The first thing that the USPTO does with your trusted PDF <br>
is dismember it into TIF images, one per PDF page. And then the USPTO <br>
carries out halftoning and resizing. This is the native storage format <br>
in IFW. Later if you click to see your trusted PDF, you will find that <br>
what IFW gives back to you as a PDF is not bit-for-bit the same as the <br>
PDF that you uploaded. The PDF that the IFW gives back to you will, <br>
among other things, have a non-identical message digest (hash).<br>
<br>
So yes, it seems to me that the filer who wants to avoid the harm caused <br>
by the halftoning and resizing would definitely want to index the <br>
trusted PDF as "non-black-and-white drawings". That way the PDF is <br>
preserved bit-for-bit.<br>
<br>
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