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<p>Also, even if they did accept it, wouldn't they degrade the DOCX
figures (because you can't tag the Spec as
non-black-and-white-figures)?</p>
<p>I have thought of uploading an Appendix (copy of Spec) as
non-black-and-white FIGURES, that way it's literally incorporated
by reference into the application, and part of the application
body if needed.<br>
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<p>On 12/21/2023 3:47 PM, Stephen M. Nipper via Patentpractice
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<div dir="ltr">Brilliant, but I'm not sure that such a .docx would
pass the upload verification. For example, there's a defined
error/warning for:
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Figures have been detected in the
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<div>This has a list of the errors/warnings: <a href="https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/DOCX_Feedback_Errors_and_Warnings.pdf" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/DOCX_Feedback_Errors_and_Warnings.pdf</a>.</div>
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2:16 PM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<div>So what are the options for passive aggressive
compliance that forces the PTO to use the PDF just as they
always have?<br>
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<div>Ten years ago, there was a way to open a PDF, and "Save
as Word" and what you'd get was pages that were each
bitmap images, just stored in a .doc container instead of
in a .pdf container. Totally useless. Ten years ago, I
had a legal assistant that would do that -- which drove me
crazy at the time, Now it's PERFECT.</div>
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3:59 PM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On
12/21/2023 1:29 PM, Tim Ackermann via Patentcenter wrote:<br>
> What if I accidentally filed PDF images of my
Abstract, Specification, <br>
> and Claims as "Figures, other than black &
white"? And then amended <br>
> the drawings to remove those accidental images?<br>
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I am migrating this over to the Patent Practice listserv
which is the <br>
right place for it.<br>
<br>
The Patentcenter listserv is for bugs and feature requests
and <br>
workarounds relating to Patent Center.<br>
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Now to return to the topic.<br>
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So what we are talking about is the process of submitting
a trusted PDF <br>
along with the untrusted Microsoft Word file. The reason
for handing in <br>
the untrusted Microsoft Word file is to avoid having to
pay the $400 <br>
penalty. The reason for handing in the trusted PDF file
is, well, <br>
because it can actually be trusted.<br>
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Except not. The first thing that the USPTO does with your
trusted PDF <br>
is dismember it into TIF images, one per PDF page. And
then the USPTO <br>
carries out halftoning and resizing. This is the native
storage format <br>
in IFW. Later if you click to see your trusted PDF, you
will find that <br>
what IFW gives back to you as a PDF is not bit-for-bit the
same as the <br>
PDF that you uploaded. The PDF that the IFW gives back to
you will, <br>
among other things, have a non-identical message digest
(hash).<br>
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So yes, it seems to me that the filer who wants to avoid
the harm caused <br>
by the halftoning and resizing would definitely want to
index the <br>
trusted PDF as "non-black-and-white drawings". That way
the PDF is <br>
preserved bit-for-bit.<br>
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