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Margaret -- I didn't see that one coming.</div>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">Just to
make sure I understand:</div>
<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">* you
file PDF (no errors)<br>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">* the
USPTO's 'scanning process' introduces errors<br>
* you file for correction --> the errors are your fault because
you chose to upload PDF instead of DOCX</div>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">If I'm
understanding this new reality correctly, it seems like we're
stuck with Reissue or Petition (maybe) regardless of whether the
surcharge is paid or not. Maybe this helps make sure a PDF-filer
doesn't get any benefits from filing a PDF?</div>
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<div class="moz-signature" signature-switch-id="3b1f849e-df1a-47f0-a9c3-2130023b23a0">On
2/1/2024 3:13 PM, Margaret Polson via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Fun
fact, if you try to get your publication fixed \u201cfor USPTO
error\u201d your petition will be denied saying that scanning
errors cause by your filing a pdf (this is before the
surcharge) are not a USPTO error. (the error was in the
claims, clearly material error)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Boundy via Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 1, 2024 8:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> David Boundy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"><DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com></a>;
Users of Patentcenter
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a>; William Ahmed
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ahmed.william@ymail.com"><ahmed.william@ymail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] two
questions about the dreaded .DOCX situation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, you can rely on the
incorporated-by-reference parent to correct errors
introduced by the PTO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The existence of a path to get a
correction is only half the problem. The other half is
that the PTO will not reimburse you or your client for the
costs of doing the proofreading, error checking, or
correction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:41\u202fAM William
Ahmed via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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List,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Question
A --> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Suppose
we (i) file the spec in .DOCX for a US
non-provisional under 35 USC 111 and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">(ii)
20 minutes after filing on the DAY of filing, we
submit a preliminary amendment in PDF on the day
of filing,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">does
this PDF preliminary amendment trigger the .DOCX
surcharge?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Question
B [unrelated]--> hypothetically, let's say we
file .DOCX without the auxiliary pdf - we would
NEVER do that, but let's just say hypothetically.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Let's
assume that this patent application is a CON
[parent filed in pdf format] of a
published/pending US patent non-provisional
application,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">and
that on page 1 of the .DOCX spec the CON parent is
incorporated by reference.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">The
patent grants, and there are problems with the
granted patents due to USPTO .DOCX technology
issues (e.g. one of the equations is converted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">into
block symbols or otherwise downgraded). I have no
AUX-PDF to save me in this situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Would
the incorporation-by-reference save the situation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Thank
you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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