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    <font face="Times New Roman">First, Margaret would be able to prove
      to the satisfaction of the PTO or a court that the specification
      she filed in pdf format (that is not a DOCX filing) was the
      legally operative copy. See </font>“<a
      href="https://www.neifeld.com/pubs/2009_reviewefsweb.pdf"
      target="_blank">Review of Legal Framework for Electronic Filing
      System-Web (EFS-Web), 74 FR 55200-211 (2009)</a>” Rick Neifeld,
    October 27, 2009. ("Accordingly, the official record for the patent
    application and reexamination ... comprises ... the Electronic
    Acknowledgment Receipt ....")  The EAR includes the digest section
    which includes the SHA-512 value for each file Margaret uploaded and
    filed.  No one can argue with the correlation of a SHA-512 produces
    hash value for a file.  Identify of hash value means to an almost
    mathematical certainty identity of input files.<br>
    <br>
    Second, merely having the right to correct, unfortunately, does not
    mean instantaneous correction.  More specifically, for causes of
    action arising before an error preventing a patent from is valid and
    infringed, is corrected by issuance of a COC, there is no right to
    relief.  I recall cases where the error discovered after suit was
    filed resulted in the judge excluding the deficient patent from the
    law suit, which de facto made the patent unenforceable in that
    dispute.   However that is not the case for a judicial (district
    court) de jure error correction, which would be effective during
    litigation. See Novo Indus., L.P. v. Micro Molds Corp., 350 F.3d
    1348 (Fed. Cir. 2003).  <br>
    <br>
    On those facts, I would prefer defending (against an attack and the
    propriety of the specification) a patent the PTO misprinted when I
    had filed a pdf (non DOCX) specification, rather than a DOCX (with
    an aux pdf) the PTO misprinted. Why? Because pdf filing forecloses
    arguments by the defendant that the patentee was partially at fault
    for failing to properly review the specification and fix errors. 
    When you pdf file, you pdf file the document you upload.  If your
    uploaded document has no errors, there is no basis to allege failure
    to review the uploaded file was related to some PTO printing error. 
    In contrast, the screwy DOCX filing warns you to carefully review
    their garbled version of your uploaded DOCX file as garbled by the
    PTO, and to be responsible for any errors in their garbled version,
    and only allows you to file the garbled version.  So the blame is on
    you, the filer.  Putting myself in front of a district court judge
    who is deciding whether to judicially correct a defective patent,
    the equities favor the patent resulting from the pdf filed
    specification. Therefore, whatever discretion the judge has under
    the standards for judicial correct (<i>See</i>, Neifeld, "Law
    Regarding Patents", subsection "Judicial Correction of a claim, by
    interpretation, of Patents,") would favor judicial correction.<br>
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      <p>Best regards, Rick Neifeld, Ph.D., Patent Attorney<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/1/2024 5:12 PM, Roger Browdy via
      Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">That’s outrageous.  I would definitely
          petition that.  There is absolutely no justification for
          calling that applicant error.  It should be made a test case
          and taken all the way to the Supreme Court (I know, that’s
          easy for me to say).<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Roger<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Margaret Polson via Patentcenter<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 1, 2024 4:14 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and
              tricks about Patent Center.
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a>; For patent
              practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
              advice. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Margaret Polson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:MPolson@polsoniplaw.com"><MPolson@polsoniplaw.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] two
              questions about the dreaded .DOCX situation<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Fun
            fact, if you try to get your publication fixed “for USPTO
            error”  your petition will be denied saying that scanning
            errors cause by your filing a pdf (this is before the
            surcharge) are not a USPTO error.  (the error was in the
            claims, clearly material error)
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentcenter <<a
              href="mailto:patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentcenter-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Boundy via Patentcenter<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 1, 2024 8:24 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for
            laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a
              href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> David Boundy <<a
              href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>>;
            Users of Patentcenter <<a
              href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>;
            William Ahmed <<a href="mailto:ahmed.william@ymail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ahmed.william@ymail.com</a>><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] two
            questions about the dreaded .DOCX situation<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Yes, you can rely on the
              incorporated-by-reference parent to correct errors
              introduced by the PTO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">The existence of a path to get a
              correction is only half the problem.  The other half is
              that the PTO will not reimburse you or your client for the
              costs of doing the proofreading, error checking, or
              correction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:41 AM William
              Ahmed via Patentpractice <<a
                href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Dear
                      List,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Question
                      A --> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Suppose
                      we (i) file the spec in .DOCX for a US
                      non-provisional under 35 USC 111 and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">(ii)
                      20 minutes after filing on the DAY of filing, we
                      submit a preliminary amendment in PDF on the day
                      of filing,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">does
                      this  PDF preliminary amendment trigger the .DOCX
                      surcharge?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Question
                      B [unrelated]--> hypothetically, let's say we
                      file .DOCX without the auxiliary pdf - we would
                      NEVER do that, but let's just say hypothetically.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Let's
                      assume that this patent application is a CON
                      [parent filed in pdf format] of a
                      published/pending US patent non-provisional
                      application,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">and
                      that on page 1 of the .DOCX spec the CON parent is
                      incorporated by reference.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">The
                      patent grants, and there are problems with the
                      granted patents due to USPTO .DOCX technology
                      issues (e.g. one of the equations is converted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">into
                      block symbols or otherwise downgraded). I have no
                      AUX-PDF to save me in this situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Would
                      the incorporation-by-reference save the situation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Thank
                      you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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