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With translation, our EP associate typically translates into either French or German (default) since the claims and abstract are already translated into those two languages.</div>
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mewburn Ellis has a calculator –<a href="https://validationcosts.mewburn.com/" id="LPlnk293962">https://validationcosts.mewburn.com/</a>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">There are some good validation outfits that will handle it at reasonable cost easily – almost more like an annuity, and you can auto-quote
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validate. If the other countries add value, then UP validation is great. It's like the 3<sup>rd</sup> largest GDP in the world, taken as a single enforceable jurisdiction.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024 3:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For users of the PCT and ePCT. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <pct@oppedahl-lists.com>; For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jeremy Smith <jsmith@kilburnstrode.com>; David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Pct] Allowed EP patent -- opt between Unified Patent or country-by-country validation?</span>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Hi David,</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">“10<sup>th</sup> year” means the renewal fee for the 10<sup>th</sup> year calculated from the filing date of the application. You pay for the year up-front so it’s due 9 years after
the filing date.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Yes GB is not covered by a unitary patent, so you would need to validate there separately.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Yes the UP will need to be translated into one other EU language. Was the end of your question cut off there?</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Best wishes,</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Boundy via Pct<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 February 2024 21:22<br>
<b>To:</b> for users of the Patent Cooperation Treaty <pct@oppedahl-lists.com>; For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Pct] Allowed EP patent -- opt between Unified Patent or country-by-country validation?</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">I am now facing the choice for the first time of an allowed EP patent, and how to validate. Opt in for a single European Unitary Patent, or validate in the big countries (DE GB FR probably).</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Questions</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> -- fee schedule is here
<a href="https://www.epo.org/en/legal/guide-up/2022/uppg_a_v.html" data-auth="Verified" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
https://www.epo.org/en/legal/guide-up/2022/uppg_a_v.html</a> When they say "10th year" is that 10th year from filing, or 10th year from EP allowance? The yardstick is "published in the European Patent Bulletin" -- does that happen at 18 months, or at allowance?</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> -- when
<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">GB quit the EU club, they quit the Unitary Patent club too, right?
</span> So if I opt for Unitary Patent, I still have to validate in GB, right?</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> -- this application was prosecuted in English. So to validate Unitary, we have to translate into one other language
<a href="https://www.epo.org/en/legal/guide-up/2022/uppg_b_ii_4.html" data-auth="Verified" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
https://www.epo.org/en/legal/guide-up/2022/uppg_b_ii_4.html</a> For country-by-country validation, translate for all</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Does anyone know of a cost calculator?</p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Thanks</p>
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