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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes indeed. And BTW, they also FUBARd the drawings in this patent. They were sharp going in but now look like they were submitted from a dot matrix printer. This case was filed before I learned here to tag them as non-black-and-white drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the story, Vic, I needed that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In closing… this is the government the Founders warned us about.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Patentpractice [mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shawn Smith via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.<br><b>Cc:</b> Shawn Smith<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] question on USPTO issued patent pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’m pretty sure we all know what the problem is with the patent office, but nobody will admit it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 3:43 PM E. Victor Indiano via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In answer to your question about what is going on in the patent office, May I humbly submit the following <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A patent lawyer was walking down a beach in California, when he saw an old lamp.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>He picked up the lamp and rubbed it, and out popped a genie.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The genie then told him that he had one wish, and of the patent lawyer replied that he always loved to vacationing in Hawaii, but hated to fly on planes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Therefore, he asked the genie if he could build a bridge between San Diego and Honolulu so that he could drive rather than having to fly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The genie then responded that building a bridge so long and over such a deep ocean would be exceedingly difficult, and that it would require billions of tons of concrete and steel, and of course, the construction of dozens of gas stations and hundreds of EV super chargers so that people could fuel up on the 2400 mile trip.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The patent lawyer considered this and then told the genie that he understood the problem, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The patent lawyer then asked if the genie could instead give him the knowledge to understand why the patent office does the things that it does.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The genie replied by saying, would you like that bridge to be two lanes or four?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Vic Indiano <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(paraphrased from an old joke you have probably heard before)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Hammond via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> John Hammond <<a href="mailto:jmhammond@patent-innovations.com" target="_blank">jmhammond@patent-innovations.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] question on USPTO issued patent pdf<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello list,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> A client’s patent issued today. I have not yet received an e-mail from the PTO indicating that the eGrant copy is available. So this evening first I downloaded a copy from <a href="http://freepatentsonline.com" target="_blank">freepatentsonline.com</a>. Then I went into PatentCenter to see if the eGrant was available. It was not. Or I am not navigating PatentCenter successfully.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> In the Patent Center application file, I did click on the link under the Patent # column to download the public access copy. Then I opened its properties window. The page size is 35.56 x 45.83 inches, about an E-size drawing. I went to print it with no scaling or paper size choice, just 100%, and sure enough, the preview confirmed it. The free patents online copy is 8.5 x 11. Anyone know what the hell is going on with the PTO patent pdf?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> And one more question. Is the PTO still sending a “ceremonial” paper copy via US Mail or is that over with?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:teal'>John M. Hammond P.E.</span></i></b> <br><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Patent Innovations LLC</span></i></b> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Livonia NY </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Patentpractice mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">Patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br><a href="http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/patentpractice_oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/patentpractice_oppedahl-lists.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>