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<font face="Times New Roman">Timothy - Yes, and yes. <br>
But I do not think anecdotal experience is relevant. Each case
varies on its own facts and under the relevant jurisdictional law.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/2024 3:46 PM, Timothy Snowden
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Rick – have
you had any experience with these proceedings? I'm curious
whether you have any sense for whether the Examiner in that
office would do anything with a prior art submission? I'd be
interested what your (and anybody else's!) thoughts are on EPO
& WIPO proceedings from a practical application – does it
do any good? If so, it would be interesting as an extra tool
in the toolbox we could start making heavier use of in some
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Third-Party exparte
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<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF"><font face="Times New Roman">Keep
in mind there are similar 3rd party submission procedures in
the major offices. See for example slides 2-9 in
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Procedures and Best Practices in View of the AIA</a>"
Presented by Rick Neifeld at IEEE-USA, Arlington, VA, October
19, 2012.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">not followed the success rate with
these things in terms of affecting prosecution. If you
submit the publications with an explanation of the
relevance and the claims get allowed anyway, you have
probably made it harder for your client to invalidate the
patent based on those same publications. And if you
yourself appear as the attorney of record on your client's
own patents, then if you're the one who makes the
third-party submission, the competitor will be able to
more easily figure out who's behind the submission (which
doesn't need to identify the real-party-in-interest, but
only the party actually making the submission). So you
might want to consider having a different attorney make
the filing. Or, you can go the tried-and-true route of
bringing the publications to the attention of the
applicant's attorney, who will in all likelihood then want
to disclose the pubs in an IDS. The examiner make still
allow the case, but there will be no discussion in the
record of the relevance, thus leaving an easier path to
make such arguments yourself in subsequent adversarial
proceedings.</p>
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