<div dir="ltr"><div>I missed that! Whoever got penalized, want to petition to reverse that penalty, based on this video?</div><div><br></div><div>Judith<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 2:50 PM Randy A. Noranbrock via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5635609185978013602">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Although, if you jump to the 40:28 mark of this helpful PTO video, you can hear the PTO answer to this very question:
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https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/uspto-videos/how-file-your-patent-application-documents-docx</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto">Will there be a surcharge for preliminary amendments submitted in PDF format?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto">No. Preliminary amendments can be filed in PDF format and can be included with the initial filing.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(148,17,0)">Randy A. Noranbrock</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> - </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><a href="mailto:randy@ipfirm.com" title="mailto:randy@ipfirm.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">randy@ipfirm.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> —
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(4,51,255)">Randy A. Noranbrock is admitted in VA and registered to practice before the US Patent & Trademark Office</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
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<b>Reply-To: </b>"For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 5:33 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com" target="_blank">djf@iliplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Patentpractice] DOCX penalty fee question<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the issue with the preliminary amendment was that is was filed on the same day as the application, and therefore was considered part of the original filing. As far as I know, amendments filed after the day of filing do not trigger
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 12:17<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Goldberg, Judi via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Does the DOCX requirement/$400 penalty apply to
<u>any</u> spec amendments, such as filing a replacement spec? I saw the email discussions here that the penalty fee was assessed for a preliminary amendment, so I’m wondering if we will also get hit with the penalty if we have to file a substitute spec?
Does it make a difference if the amendments are in a national phase application rather than a utility application, like it is for the initial filing (Or will they also assess the penalty fee if we file a preliminary amendment?
<span class="m_5635609185978013602m-3568678652912358489spelle">Hmmmm</span>).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">PS – I took several of the USPTO’s DOCX “training” sessions, and they never mentioned having to pay the penalty for anything other than the originally
filed spec. Why am I not surprised. </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:black">L</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks in advance,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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