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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">I\u2019ve never had a problem with a declaration filed with the \u201cattached\u201d checkbox checked as long as a copy of the application was somewhere in the filing. The only time I\u2019ve
ever actually attached the application to the declaration itself was when I\u2019d sent the declaration to the inventors to be signed before the application was filed with that box checked, but they didn\u2019t sign it until after the filing date. In that case, I\u2019ve
made the application part of the file with the declaration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">But as a way to deal with DOCX, I don\u2019t know. Let\u2019s say I submit a DOCX application along with a declaration that has a PDF copy attached. I\u2019d worry that the PTO would detach
the PDF copy, declare that to be the submitted application, charge the non-DOCX penalty fee, and do the usual stripping of text and OCRing the text back from the PDF copy, rather than using the DOCX file. If they don\u2019t, I suspect they will refuse to consider
it the auxiliary PDF, because it wasn\u2019t filed in the special way they require the auxiliary PDF to be filed. And I don\u2019t know that I can incorporate by reference anything from the copy of the application attached to the declaration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">I\u2019m not sure what the PTO will do, but if there\u2019s a way to do something wrong, they seem to be inclined to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Suzannah K. Sundby <suzannah@canadylortz.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hmm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I\u2019ve never filed a declaration that doesn\u2019t indicate either the PCT number or the US application number\u2026 BUT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I wonder if this is a way to deal with the DOCX bullsh*t\u2026 That is, file oath/decs stating and providing the \u201cattached application\u201d and therefore essentially having a PDF version as a backup
which one might be able to use and point to separately to fix conversion errors that are uncovered years later, etc\u2026<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 2:38 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Roger Browdy <<a href="mailto:RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com">RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What is the best practice for filing a declaration received for filing with a new case that has the box \u201cThis declaration is directed to |X| The attached application\u201d checked. It seems to me that the declaration
is not complete without an application attached thereto. So I file the declaration with attached copy of the application as one document designated as \u201cOath or Declaration\u201d (even if it is 122 pages long).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The problem with doing this is that the helpful people at the PTO always seem to unbundle it and call the first page a declaration and the rest as another copy of the specification and claims.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Does anyone think it is permissible to file such a declaration as a 1 page document only without attaching the \u201cattached application\u201d referred to in the document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Roger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Barber via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 10:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For Patent Practitioners. This Is Not for Laypersons To Seek Legal Advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bob Barber <<a href="mailto:bobbarber1970@yahoo.com">bobbarber1970@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Thanks, I'm so used to going to the mis-named "existing submissions" drop-down menu that I didn't even notice the "petitions" drop-down menu next to it. And
then I found they're available below, on the PC page itself: <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 03:56:31 PM GMT+3, Melanie Murdock <<a href="mailto:mmurdock@texaspatents.com">mmurdock@texaspatents.com</a>> wrote:
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<p class="yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">Hi Bob,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">If you\u2019re asking about the ePetitions, they are available in Patent Center for preparation/submission by a registered practitioner only. Sponsored
support staff are not allowed to do these, although our attorney usually logs in and does a screenshare with the paralegal to make sure nothing gets overlooked. Below is a screenshot I made for our attorneys awhile back.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">I hope this helps.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">Melanie</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv5341834653msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Barber via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 7:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For Patent Practitioners. This Is Not for Laypersons To Seek Legal Advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bob Barber <<a href="mailto:bobbarber1970@yahoo.com">bobbarber1970@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I apologize in advance if I missed a discussion on this, but were any of the automatically granted petitions that used to be available in EFS carried
forward into EFS, and if so, how does one file them? I haven't found them in PC - it appears that all petitions are now decided by people.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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