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Here is what the MPEP says:</div>
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MPEP 602.08(b)</div>
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It is improper for an applicant to sign an oath or declaration which is not attached to or does not identify the application (e.g., a specification and drawings) to which it is directed.<br>
<b><i>Attached does not necessarily mean that all the papers must be literally fastened. It is sufficient that the specification, including the claims, and the oath or declaration are physically located together at the time of execution.</i></b> Physical connection
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MPEP 602.08(c)</div>
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The following combination of information supplied in an oath or declaration <b><i>filed on the application filing date</i></b> with a specification are acceptable as minimums for identifying the application and compliance with any one of the items below will
be accepted as complying with the identification requirement of 37 CFR 1.63:</div>
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(A) name of inventor(s), and reference to <b><i>an attached specification or application which is both attached to the oath or declaration at the time of execution and submitted with the oath or declaration on filing</i></b>;</div>
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Filing dates are granted on applications filed without an inventors oath or declaration in compliance with 37 CFR 1.63. The following combinations of information supplied in an oath or declaration
<b><i>filed after the filing date of the application</i></b> are acceptable as minimums for identifying the application and compliance with any one of the items below will be accepted as complying with the identification requirement of 37 CFR 1.63:</div>
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(F) title of the invention which was on the specification as filed and reference to
<b><i>an attached specification or application which is both attached to the oath or declaration at the time of execution and submitted with the oath or declaration</i></b>; or</div>
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<b><i>Any specification that is filed attached to an oath or declaration on a date later than the application filing date will not be compared with the specification submitted on filing. Absent any statement(s) to the contrary, the "attached" specification
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It seems that if the declaration checks the box for "attached application" and is
<b><i>filed on the same day</i></b> as the application, then there is no need to attach a copy of the application to the declaration because it is presumed to be the same as the filed application. </div>
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However, if the declaration checks the box for "attached application" and is <b><i>filed after
</i></b>the application is filed, then a copy of the application should be attached to the declaration.</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">In the latter case, it would be tempting to include a copy of the as-filed application without confirming with the inventor what version of the application is being referenced
</span><span style="font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">(e.g., the first draft, the draft after a co-inventor provided comments, etc.)</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">, particularly when the client contact is not the inventor and
is a few layers removed from the inventor. I wonder if we need an email from the inventor confirming the version of the application the inventor had in mind when the declaration was signed. That seems a bit much.</span></div>
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One best practice I take from all this is to always include a copy of the application in any emails including a request to sign a declaration.</div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What is the best practice for filing a declaration received for filing with a new case that has the box This declaration is directed to |X| The attached application checked. It seems to me that the declaration
is not complete without an application attached thereto. So I file the declaration with attached copy of the application as one document designated as Oath or Declaration (even if it is 122 pages long).
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The problem with doing this is that the helpful people at the PTO always seem to unbundle it and call the first page a declaration and the rest as another copy of the specification and claims.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Does anyone think it is permissible to file such a declaration as a 1 page document only without attaching the attached application referred to in the document?</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Barber via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Thanks, I'm so used to going to the mis-named "existing submissions" drop-down menu that I didn't even notice the "petitions" drop-down menu next to it. And
then I found they're available below, on the PC page itself: <br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 03:56:31 PM GMT+3, Melanie Murdock <<a href="mailto:mmurdock@texaspatents.com">mmurdock@texaspatents.com</a>> wrote:
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<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"New serif",serif; color:#26282A">Hi Bob,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
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<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"New serif",serif; color:#26282A">If youre asking about the ePetitions, they are available in Patent Center for preparation/submission by a registered practitioner only. Sponsored
support staff are not allowed to do these, although our attorney usually logs in and does a screenshare with the paralegal to make sure nothing gets overlooked. Below is a screenshot I made for our attorneys awhile back.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
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<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"New serif",serif; color:#26282A">I hope this helps.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"New serif",serif; color:#26282A">Melanie</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
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<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"New serif",serif; color:black">Sr. Paralegal/Administrator</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
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<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"New serif",serif; color:black">The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged and/or patent agent-client privileged, may constitute
inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
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<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Barber via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 7:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For Patent Practitioners. This Is Not for Laypersons To Seek Legal Advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bob Barber <<a href="mailto:bobbarber1970@yahoo.com">bobbarber1970@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
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<p class="x_yiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#26282A">I apologize in advance if I missed a discussion on this, but were any of the automatically granted petitions that used to be available in EFS carried
forward into EFS, and if so, how does one file them? I haven't found them in PC - it appears that all petitions are now decided by people.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"></span></p>
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