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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We’ve always done this too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If the client returns the signed declaration after we’ve filed the application, we resend an unsigned declaration with the application on it for them to sign. Which can mean another long wait for its return.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For a 371 declaration (if none was filed with the PCT) , we use the PCT # on the declaration form, whether filing concurrently with the 371 application, or after it has been filed and has received a US application
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sharon</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>pbrisky--- via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> pbrisky@fujitsu.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We do this all the time. We consider the “attached application” to be anything listed on the E-filing acknowledgement. Any declaration filed after that has the app number on it. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 2:54:52 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Suzannah K. Sundby <<a href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com">suzannah@canadylortz.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hmm.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I’ve never filed a declaration that doesn’t indicate either the PCT number or the US application number… BUT</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I wonder if this is a way to deal with the DOCX
<span class="xspelle">bullsh</span>*t… That is, file oath/decs stating and providing the “attached application” and therefore essentially having a PDF version as a backup which one might be able to use and point to separately to fix conversion errors that are
uncovered years later, <span class="xspelle">etc</span>…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Browdy via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 2:38 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Roger Browdy <<a href="mailto:RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com">RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What is the best practice for filing a declaration received for filing with a new case that has the box “This declaration is directed to |X| The attached application” checked. It seems to me that the declaration
is not complete without an application attached thereto. So I file the declaration with attached copy of the application as one document designated as “Oath or Declaration” (even if it is 122 pages long).
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The problem with doing this is that the helpful people at the PTO always seem to unbundle it and call the first page a declaration and the rest as another copy of the specification and claims.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Does anyone think it is permissible to file such a declaration as a 1 page document only without attaching the “attached application” referred to in the document?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Roger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Barber via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 10:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For Patent Practitioners. This Is Not for Laypersons To Seek Legal Advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bob Barber <<a href="mailto:bobbarber1970@yahoo.com">bobbarber1970@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Thanks, I'm so used to going to the mis-named "existing submissions" drop-down menu that I didn't even notice the "petitions" drop-down menu next to it. And
then I found they're available below, on the PC page itself: <br>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 03:56:31 PM GMT+3, Melanie Murdock <<a href="mailto:mmurdock@texaspatents.com">mmurdock@texaspatents.com</a>> wrote:
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<p class="xyiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">Hi Bob,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xyiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">If you’re asking about the ePetitions, they are available in Patent Center for preparation/submission by a registered practitioner only. Sponsored
support staff are not allowed to do these, although our attorney usually logs in and does a screenshare with the paralegal to make sure nothing gets overlooked. Below is a screenshot I made for our attorneys awhile back.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xyiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">I hope this helps.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xyiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#26282A">Melanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xyiv5341834653msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Barber via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 7:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For Patent Practitioners. This Is Not for Laypersons To Seek Legal Advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bob Barber <<a href="mailto:bobbarber1970@yahoo.com">bobbarber1970@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xyiv5341834653msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I apologize in advance if I missed a discussion on this, but were any of the automatically granted petitions that used to be available in EFS carried
forward into EFS, and if so, how does one file them? I haven't found them in PC - it appears that all petitions are now decided by people.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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