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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How do you confirm that the inventor had a copy of the application for which they signed a declaration or which they assigned?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I want a record that the inventor saw or had access to the application they are making a declaration about or are assigning.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">When obtaining a declaration or an assignment, I provide the inventor with an electronic copy of the application and a request to sign the document(s). I prefer to do this
pre-filing so that the original filing has a declaration and an assignment. Obviously, I cannot confirm that they read what they were given, but there is a record of them having the application when they signed the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is harder to do with national phase applications coming to me from PCT applications filed outside the US. Or any foreign origin application, for that matter. There I have
to rely on the foreign associate to obtain the signatures. I tell them to provide the inventor with a copy of the application, but I don\u2019t know if they do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of Patentpractice Patentpractice <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Patentpractice Patentpractice <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:47 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Patentpractice Patentpractice <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So use different language. At both Fish & Richardson and Morgan & Finnegan, the form language for this situation was " application for Letters Patent of the United States titled <Title> executed on even date herewith" instead of "attached."
That cuts through all the Gordian knots you're tying.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 8:43\u202fPM Scott Nielson via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">I would be uncomfortable with a combined assignment/declaration form that only identifies what is being assigned as "the attached application." I think you are right
to attach a copy of the application in that situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">My personal opinion is that a combined assignment/declaration filed before the application should include at least the title of the application and perhaps the attorney
docket number (and/or other potentially identifying information such as a client reference number) with blank spaces for the application number and filing date, which can then be filled when known.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">801-660-4400</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Roger Browdy <<a href="mailto:RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com" target="_blank">RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 6:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Scott Nielson <<a href="mailto:scnielson@outlook.com" target="_blank">scnielson@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked</span>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Excellent advice, Scott. Thank you for the MPEP cites which confirms that I need not attach anything to the declaration when it is filed on the date of application filing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">However, how about the situation where the inventor has signed a combined declaration/assignment form and checked the \u201cattached application\u201d box. What do we do when filing the assignment for recordation? Attach the application?
We have revised the form to give us authority to add the application number to the assignment document. But some clients don\u2019t use our form. We do not use the form to serve as filing of the declaration on recordation. When filing on the date of filing of
the application, we file the form solely as a declaration with the application and we record solely as an assignment. But must we attach the application to that assignment? We have been doing so. The cover page will have the application number.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Roger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Nielson via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 7:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Scott Nielson <<a href="mailto:scnielson@outlook.com" target="_blank">scnielson@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">Here is what the MPEP says:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">MPEP 602.08(b)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">It is improper for an applicant to sign an oath or declaration which is not attached to or does not identify the application (e.g., a specification and drawings) to which it is directed.<br>
<b><i>Attached does not necessarily mean that all the papers must be literally fastened. It is sufficient that the specification, including the claims, and the oath or declaration are physically located together at the time of execution.</i></b> Physical connection
is not required. Copies of declarations are encouraged. See MPEP § 502.01, § 502.02, § 602, and § 602.05(a).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">MPEP 602.08(c)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">The following combination of information supplied in an oath or declaration
<b><i>filed on the application filing date</i></b> with a specification are acceptable as minimums for identifying the application and compliance with any one of the items below will be accepted as complying with the identification requirement of 37 CFR 1.63:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black"> (A) name of inventor(s), and reference to
<b><i>an attached specification or application which is both attached to the oath or declaration at the time of execution and submitted with the oath or declaration on filing</i></b>;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">Filing dates are granted on applications filed without an inventor\u2019s oath or declaration in compliance with 37 CFR 1.63. The following combinations of information supplied in an oath
or declaration <b><i>filed after the filing date of the application</i></b> are acceptable as minimums for identifying the application and compliance with any one of the items below will be accepted as complying with the identification requirement of 37 CFR
1.63:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black"> (F) title of the invention which was on the specification as filed and reference to
<b><i>an attached specification or application which is both attached to the oath or declaration at the time of execution and submitted with the oath or declaration</i></b>; or</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">Any specification that is filed attached to an oath or declaration on a date later than the application filing date will not be compared with the specification submitted on
filing. Absent any statement(s) to the contrary, the "attached" specification will be presumed to be a copy of the specification and any amendments thereto, which were filed in the USPTO in order to obtain a filing date for the application.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">It seems that if the declaration checks the box for "attached application" and is
<b><i>filed on the same day</i></b> as the application, then there is no need to attach a copy of the application to the declaration because it is presumed to be the same as the filed application. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">However, if the declaration checks the box for "attached application" and is
<b><i>filed after </i></b>the application is filed, then a copy of the application should be attached to the declaration.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">In the latter case, it would be tempting to include a copy of the as-filed application without confirming with the inventor what version of the application is being referenced
<span style="background:white">(e.g., the first draft, the draft after a co-inventor provided comments, etc.)</span>, particularly when the client contact is not the inventor and is a few layers removed from the inventor. I wonder if we need an email from the
inventor confirming the version of the application the inventor had in mind when the declaration was signed. That seems a bit much.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:black">One best practice I take from all this is to always include a copy of the application in any emails including a request to sign a declaration.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Scott Nielson</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
on behalf of Roger Browdy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Roger Browdy <<a href="mailto:RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com" target="_blank">RLBrowdy@browdyneimark.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Best Practice for Declarations with "The Attached Application" Checked</span>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What is the best practice for filing a declaration received for filing with a new case that has the box \u201cThis declaration is directed to |X| The attached application\u201d checked. It seems to me that the declaration is not complete
without an application attached thereto. So I file the declaration with attached copy of the application as one document designated as \u201cOath or Declaration\u201d (even if it is 122 pages long).
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The problem with doing this is that the helpful people at the PTO always seem to unbundle it and call the first page a declaration and the rest as another copy of the specification and claims.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Does anyone think it is permissible to file such a declaration as a 1 page document only without attaching the \u201cattached application\u201d referred to in the document?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Roger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Barber via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2024 10:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For Patent Practitioners. This Is Not for Laypersons To Seek Legal Advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bob Barber <<a href="mailto:bobbarber1970@yahoo.com" target="_blank">bobbarber1970@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:Helvetica">Thanks, I'm so used to going to the mis-named "existing submissions" drop-down menu that I didn't even notice the "petitions" drop-down menu next to it. And then I found they're available
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#26282A">On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 03:56:31 PM GMT+3, Melanie Murdock <<a href="mailto:mmurdock@texaspatents.com" target="_blank">mmurdock@texaspatents.com</a>> wrote:
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">Hi Bob,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">If you\u2019re asking about the ePetitions, they are available in Patent Center for preparation/submission by a registered practitioner only. Sponsored support staff are not allowed to do these,
although our attorney usually logs in and does a screenshare with the paralegal to make sure nothing gets overlooked. Below is a screenshot I made for our attorneys awhile back.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">I hope this helps.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">Melanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] automatically granted petitions available in patent center?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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EFS, and if so, how does one file them? I haven't found them in PC - it appears that all petitions are now decided by people.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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