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<p>Aren't the color drawings in SCORE? What did you find when you
looked in SCORE?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2024 10:00 AM, Michael Dryja
via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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I have a related issue \u2026
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<div>We have a 102 reference (issued utility patent) asserted
against us (a utility application). In the 102 reference, color
drawings were submitted, and Patent Center shows that there was
a petition to accept color drawings, which was accepted.</div>
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<div>The halftoned drawings are inscrutable. I literally cannot
read some of the blocks of the flowchart, and being able to read
them is somewhat critical to our argument.</div>
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<div>The halftoned version of the original drawings that were
uploaded by the applicant in the 102 reference, as available in
Patent Center, are a bit better than the drawings in the
published patent application and the issued patent, but not
much.</div>
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<div>Is there any way to get the actual original color drawings
that presumably were originally filed?</div>
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<div>On Apr 16, 2024, at 8:50\u202fAM, Carl Oppedahl via
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I have gone around and around with the Office of Public
Records on this.</div>
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and over again I have ordered up a physical certified
copy of a US patent application in which color drawings
were filed. They are right there in SCORE. When I
order the copy, I phone up the OPR to emphasize that
they need to use the SCORE drawings when they prepare
the physical certified copy.</div>
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and over again, they play dumb and use only the poor
quality (halftoned, no color) drawings from IFW.</div>
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and over again, I place followup calls to OPR to say the
certified copy was defective and can they send a new
certified copy that is not defective.</div>
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think the last five times I went through this bad movie
with OPR, only once out of five times did I end up with
a non-defective physical certified copy.<span
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next thing you might thing is, maybe DAS would work
better. But no, the electronic certified copy that the
USPTO makes available to DAS is also defective. <span
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4/16/2024 8:46 AM, Goldberg, Judi via Patentpractice
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style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Scott
\u2013 do you know if there is a way to obtain a
certified copy of a US design application as filed
which includes color drawings?<span> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We
got a rejection that the drawings in our foreign
application (color) didn\u2019t match what was filed in
the US because the drawings in the certified copy
of the US priority design application were in
black and white.<span> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The
USPTO told me they don\u2019t issue certified copies in
color, but color is/can be an important element of
a design application.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Suggestions?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks
in advance!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">I filed a
design patent with non-vector drawings and
used the document description "Drawings-only
black and white line drawings." I rasterized
the drawings before filing so they were
already in the format the USPTO likes (1 bit
black and white monochrome). <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">The USPTO
entered an exact copy of the drawings I filed
in the Supplemental Content tab.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">When the
patent was granted, the PTO issued a "SCORE
Placeholder Sheet for IFW Content" stating
that SCORE contains a "Patent Grant with
Color/Grayscale Drawings."<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">In SCORE,
there is a tab labeled "File type" "US Patent
Color"<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">In this
tab in SCORE, I can download a copy of the
patent that is password protected and
ostensibly would have had color drawings if I
had filed color drawings. It appears that
USPTO has implemented color drawings for all
design patents. If you file color drawings,
there will be a copy of the design patent in
SCORE that includes the color drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">This also
means that for each design patent, the granted
patent is published electronically in there
different formats:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">1. the
public pdf version available on PPUBS. This
uses the halftone drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">2. the
eGrant copy available in Patent Center that
includes a signed digital signature but is
otherwise unlocked. I'm not sure if this the
halftone or original drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">3. the
color copy in SCORE that includes copies of
the original drawings as uploaded by the
applicant including color. The pdf file is
locked with password protection and 128-bit
encryption (it allows printing, content
copying, and content copying for
accessibility).<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">I suppose
the takeaway is that for design patents, go
ahead and file in color. The USPTO will issue
a copy of the application in SCORE with color
drawings (and maybe the eGrant will have color
drawings).<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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