<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I have a related issue \u2026<div><br></div><div>We have a 102 reference (issued utility patent) asserted against us (a utility application). In the 102 reference, color drawings were submitted, and Patent Center shows that there was a petition to accept color drawings, which was accepted.</div><div><br></div><div>The halftoned drawings are inscrutable. I literally cannot read some of the blocks of the flowchart, and being able to read them is somewhat critical to our argument.</div><div><br></div><div>The halftoned version of the original drawings that were uploaded by the applicant in the 102 reference, as available in Patent Center, are a bit better than the drawings in the published patent application and the issued patent, but not much.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there any way to get the actual original color drawings that presumably were originally filed?</div><div><br></div><div> - Mike.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 16, 2024, at 8:50\u202fAM, Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Yes I have gone around and around with the Office of Public Records on this.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Over and over again I have ordered up a physical certified copy of a US patent application in which color drawings were filed. They are right there in SCORE. When I order the copy, I phone up the OPR to emphasize that they need to use the SCORE drawings when they prepare the physical certified copy.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Over and over again, they play dumb and use only the poor quality (halftoned, no color) drawings from IFW.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Over and over again, I place followup calls to OPR to say the certified copy was defective and can they send a new certified copy that is not defective.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I think the last five times I went through this bad movie with OPR, only once out of five times did I end up with a non-defective physical certified copy.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">The next thing you might thing is, maybe DAS would work better. But no, the electronic certified copy that the USPTO makes available to DAS is also defective. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 4/16/2024 8:46 AM, Goldberg, Judi via Patentpractice wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:DS0PR02MB8927B0651D194DE4158BFA7AD7082@DS0PR02MB8927.namprd02.prod.outlook.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Scott \u2013 do you know if there is a way to obtain a certified copy of a US design application as filed which includes color drawings?<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>We got a rejection that the drawings in our foreign application (color) didn\u2019t match what was filed in the US because the drawings in the certified copy of the US priority design application were in black and white.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The USPTO told me they don\u2019t issue certified copies in color, but color is/can be an important element of a design application.<span> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Suggestions?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Judi<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Patentpractice<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Scott Nielson via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, April 15, 2024 6:55 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Oppedahl List [Patent Practice]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott Nielson<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:scnielson@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><scnielson@outlook.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Patentpractice] Design Patents Granted in Color?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47);">[External Email]</span></strong><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">I filed a design patent with non-vector drawings and used the document description "Drawings-only black and white line drawings." I rasterized the drawings before filing so they were already in the format the USPTO likes (1 bit black and white monochrome). <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">The USPTO entered an exact copy of the drawings I filed in the Supplemental Content tab.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">When the patent was granted, the PTO issued a "SCORE Placeholder Sheet for IFW Content" stating that SCORE contains a "Patent Grant with Color/Grayscale Drawings."<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">In SCORE, there is a tab labeled "File type" "US Patent Color"<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><span id="cid:part1.VK7CY0js.pIhISRKK@oppedahl.com"><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">In this tab in SCORE, I can download a copy of the patent that is password protected and ostensibly would have had color drawings if I had filed color drawings. It appears that USPTO has implemented color drawings for all design patents. If you file color drawings, there will be a copy of the design patent in SCORE that includes the color drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">This also means that for each design patent, the granted patent is published electronically in there different formats:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">1. the public pdf version available on PPUBS. This uses the halftone drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">2. the eGrant copy available in Patent Center that includes a signed digital signature but is otherwise unlocked. I'm not sure if this the halftone or original drawings.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">3. the color copy in SCORE that includes copies of the original drawings as uploaded by the applicant including color. The pdf file is locked with password protection and 128-bit encryption (it allows printing, content copying, and content copying for accessibility).<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">I suppose the takeaway is that for design patents, go ahead and file in color. The USPTO will issue a copy of the application in SCORE with color drawings (and maybe the eGrant will have color drawings).<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div id="Signature"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif"; color: rgb(31, 56, 100);">Scott Nielson</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos Serif";">801-660-4400</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><br><fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset></blockquote><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Patentpractice mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="mailto:Patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/patentpractice_oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/patentpractice_oppedahl-lists.com</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>