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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That form seems to only allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which the priority application was filed, right? It does not mention obtaining the document from WIPO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Please retrieve the foreign priority application identified in Column C, a copy of which is contained in the EP or JP application identified in Columns A and B:</i><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull the priority document via DAS? Am I missing something?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is a stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Have you ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38 Request to Retrieve Electronic Priority Application(s) (the old form with options A and B) to see if they would retrieve it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It\u2019s even more frustrating when they check the box on the OA or NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been. This happens a lot and when we check Patent Center, it isn\u2019t there. Then we have to try and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree this is incredibly frustrating! Especially as they do not notify you when they have successfully obtained it via DAS except by checking a box on an OA or NOA. It is even more troubling when for some
reason they run into an issue and do not let you know they have encountered an issue. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Also, when they have not properly downloaded it, the responsible parties at the PTO are less than helpful when trying to figure out what happened.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Filed an application that claims priority only from a non-US application. Foreign priority app is in DAS (I checked with WIPO). Provided the USPTO with the foreign application no. and the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at the time of filing.
Got the filing receipt, and it acknowledges the foreign priority claim and that the DAS code was provided, and says that the USPTO "will attempt to electronically retrieve" the priority doc. But of course, the p.d. isn't yet in the electronic file.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That the PTO waits to retrieve the p.d. is not news, Carl and others have written about it. But it still bugs me: how hard would it be for the PTO to retrieve the document NOW instead of waiting?<o:p></o:p></p>
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