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Dan - You asked "What I'm wondering is, since showing that X+Y isn't
necessary in order to get the anticipatory patent admitted as prior
art and to make the showing of anticipation, might the PTO bounce
our submission for including extraneous material? As I read the
statute and rule, I don't think we're precluded form including the
extra information, but if anyone knows for sure the PTO will frown
on this, I'd like to know beforehand."<br>
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35 USC 301 states in relevant part "(b) OFFICIAL FILE.\u2014If the person
citing prior art or written statements pursuant to subsection (a)
explains in writing the pertinence and manner of applying the prior
art or written statements to at least 1 claim of the patent, the
citation of the prior art or written statements and the explanation
thereof <b>shall </b>become a part of the official file of the
patent. " Bold added for emphasis. 35 USC 301 has no exceptions for
submissions including "extraneous material."<br>
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<div dir="ltr">No positive experience with 3rd party submissions,
but I'd be tempted in the explanation to state what the prior
art discloses and that it predates the earliest effective filing
date for the claimed X+Y combination, with a note that the
combination is first disclosed in the non-provisional. If X
alone is not claimed, then there's no reason to mention the
provisional at all. If X is claimed, then the remarks on the
prior art can address the claim to X separately from the claim
to X+Y.
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<div>Client has what it believes to be a US patent that
anticipates several claims of a competitor's US patent.
The patent to be cited was only published after the filing
of the competitor patent, the patent to be cited has an
earliest date (provisional application filing date) that
precedes the earliest date for the competitor patent, and
thus is citable under 102 and 103.</div>
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<div>A submission under 35 USC 301/37 CFR 1.501 must contain
a statement about the relevance of the cited
publication(s) to at least one claim of the patent. No
problem there, in this case.</div>
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<div>What I'm wondering about is the following: the
competitor patent claims the benefit of a provisional that
discloses X, but the patent also discloses X+Y, which
means that the competitor patent is only entitled to the
actual non-prov filing date for any claims on X+Y.</div>
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<div>We think the anticipatory patent already shows X+Y from
its earliest date, viz. from before the filing of the
competitor provisional. Thus, to make our case, it's not
necessary to show that the competitor patent is only
entitled to the later filing date for X+Y. I think it
would nevertheless be worthwhile to point this out in the
35 USC 301/37 CFR 1.501 submission, if only to have that
statement in the record in order to weaken the
competitor's position.</div>
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<div>What I'm wondering is, since showing that X+Y isn't
necessary in order to get the anticipatory patent admitted
as prior art and to make the showing of anticipation,
might the PTO bounce our submission for including
extraneous material? As I read the statute and rule, I
don't think we're precluded form including the extra
information, but if anyone knows for sure the PTO will
frown on this, I'd like to know beforehand.</div>
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<div>(And FWIW, the client is still weighing whether or not
to pony up the ex parte reexamination fee. It does not
have the funds for an IPR.)</div>
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<div>Relevant parts of 35 USC 301:</div>
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style="margin:0px 0px 7px;padding:0px 0px 0px 3px;border:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-variant-alternates:inherit;font-weight:400;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:11.2px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:Tahoma,verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:none;color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">
<li id="m_-4053944324527723108gmail-al_d1d85b_2c1ad_28a"
style="margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px 0px 0px 17px;list-style:none;border:0px;font:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:no-repeat">(a)
IN GENERAL.\u2014Any person at any time may cite to the
Office in writing\u2014
<ul
style="margin:5px 0px 7px;padding:0px 0px 0px 3px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:1.3em;font-family:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:none">
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id="m_-4053944324527723108gmail-al_d1d85b_2c1ad_29d"
style="margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px 0px 0px 17px;list-style:none;border:0px;font:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:no-repeat">(1)
prior art consisting of patents or printed
publications which that person believes to have a
bearing on the patentability of any claim of a
particular patent; * * * <br>
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</ul>
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<li id="m_-4053944324527723108gmail-al_d1d85b_2c1b2_179"
style="margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px 0px 0px 17px;list-style:none;border:0px;font:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:no-repeat">(b)
OFFICIAL FILE.\u2014If the person citing prior art or
written statements pursuant to subsection (a) explains
in writing the pertinence and manner of applying the
prior art or written statements to at least 1 claim of
the patent, the citation of the prior art or written
statements and the explanation thereof shall become a
part of the official file of the patent.</li>
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<div>Relevant parts of 37 CFR 1.501:</div>
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<ul
style="margin:0px 0px 7px;padding:0px 0px 0px 3px;border:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-variant-alternates:inherit;font-weight:400;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:11.2px;line-height:1.3em;font-family:Tahoma,verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:none;color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">
<li id="m_-4053944324527723108gmail-d0e329885"
style="margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px 0px 0px 17px;list-style:none;border:0px;font:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:no-repeat">(a)<span> </span><i>Information
content of submission:</i><span> </span>At any time
during the period of enforceability of a patent, any
person may file a written submission with the Office
under this section, which is directed to the following
information:
<ul
style="margin:5px 0px 7px;padding:0px 0px 0px 3px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:1.3em;font-family:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:none">
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id="m_-4053944324527723108gmail-ar_d1d8ad_2a655_14d"
style="margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px 0px 0px 17px;list-style:none;border:0px;font:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:no-repeat">(1)
Prior art consisting of patents or printed
publications which the person making the
submission believes to have a bearing on the
patentability of any claim of the patent; * * *<br>
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</ul>
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<li id="m_-4053944324527723108gmail-d0e329895"
style="margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px 0px 0px 17px;list-style:none;border:0px;font:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:no-repeat">(b)<span> </span><i>Explanation:</i><span> </span>A
submission pursuant to paragraph (a) of this section:
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style="margin:5px 0px 7px;padding:0px 0px 0px 3px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:1.3em;font-family:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;list-style-type:none">
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id="m_-4053944324527723108gmail-ar_d1d8ad_2a76f_37d"
style="margin:0px 0px 5px;padding:0px 0px 0px 17px;list-style:none;border:0px;font:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background:no-repeat">(1)
Must include an explanation in writing of the
pertinence and manner of applying any prior art
submitted under paragraph (a)(1) of this section
and any written statement and accompanying
information submitted under paragraph (a)(2) of
this section to at least one claim of the patent,
in order for the submission to become a part of
the official file of the patent * * *<br>
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</ul>
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