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    <p>what she said<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/2024 6:17 AM, Suzannah K. Sundby
      via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Of
            course, file the translation as the spec, claims, abstract
            and drawings\u2026 but no need to file a copy of the PCT
            publication (or even the PCT application as filed)\u2026 the
            USPTO automatically obtains those directly from WIPO <u>so
              long as the US indicated on the IB308(second) form</u>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssundby/"
                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">Suzannah K.
                  Sundby</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">
              <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
                  style="color:#0000CC">|</span></b> Partner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <span style="font-variant:small-caps">LLP</span></span></u></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#0000CC;mso-no-proof:yes"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">1050
              30th Street, NW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">Washington,
              DC 20007<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">T:
              202.486.8020<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">F:
              202.540.8020<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0000CC;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">suzannah@canadylortz.com</span></a></span><span
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              Notice:
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              being sent by or on behalf of a lawyer.
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              addressed.
              <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>This communication
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              <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>If you are not the
              named addressee, you may not read, print, retain, copy, or
              disseminate this message or any part.
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style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
                Patentpractice
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:12 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for
                laypersons to seek legal advice.
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com">&lt;rsvihla@nsiplaw.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase
                under 371 -- what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Almost
            all of U.S. National Stage applications we file require an
            English translation because the PCT application was filed in
            a foreign language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Best
            regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Randall
            S. Svihla<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">NSIP
            Law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Washington,
            D.C.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
                Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 1, 2024 6:45 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for
                laypersons to seek legal advice. &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">carl@oppedahl.com</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase
                under 371 -- what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">And
            what Suzannah describes (the filer having the self-control
            to avoid handing in a copy of spec-claims-abst-drawings when
            entering US national phase) is actually a Best Practice.  It
            is a Best Practice to have this self-control because it
            avoids the possible mistake of handing in <b><i>the wrong
                spec-claims-abst-drawings.</i></b></span><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">The
            sole exception being that if (a) the US national-phase entry
            is being done so early that the PCT publication has not yet
            happened, and (b) the US was not the RO, then yes you do
            have to file a copy.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">On 7/31/2024
              5:59 PM, Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">If
              the PCT is in English, I don\u2019t file a copy when entering
              the US national phase.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
              </span>Never had an Examiner asking for a copy of the
              specification to be filed\u2026</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:black;mso-no-proof:yes"><a
                  href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssundby/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:black;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">Suzannah K.
                    Sundby</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">
                <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
                    style="color:#0000CC">|</span></b> Partner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#0000CC;mso-no-proof:yes"><a
                  href="http://www.canadylortz.com/"
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                    style="text-underline:#0000C8"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0000CC;text-underline:#0000C8;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">canady
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                    style="text-underline:#0000C8"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0000CC;text-underline:#0000C8;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">
                      <span style="font-variant:small-caps">LLP</span></span></u></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">1050
                30th Street, NW</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">Washington,
                DC 20007</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.0pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">T:
                202.486.8020</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-no-proof:yes">F:
                202.540.8020</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#0000CC;mso-no-proof:yes"><a
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0000CC;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">suzannah@canadylortz.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
                  Patentpractice
                  <a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 31, 2024 7:21 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for
                  laypersons to seek legal advice.
                  <a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a><br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <a
                    href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;rsvihla@nsiplaw.com&gt;</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase
                  under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Yes,
              that's the way the USPTO lists a PCT publication filed
              with a National Stage application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">But
              does image file wrapper contain documents coded as
              Specification, Claims, Abstract, and Drawings?<span
                style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
              </span>If not, you need to call the PCT Help Desk and ask
              them about this because this is not normal.<span
                style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
              </span>It appears that the USPTO changed the coding on the
              PCT publication you uploaded.<span
                style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
              </span>It seems to me you should not have split it up and
              coded it as you did.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
              </span>The PCT people did not process this properly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
                  Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patent Lawyer via Patentpractice<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 31, 2024 7:07 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Patentpractice Patentpractice &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> Patent Lawyer &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:patentlawyer995@gmail.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentlawyer995@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase
                  under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What I
              failed to mention is that the PCT publication is listed in
              the IFW as:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\u201cDocuments
              submitted with 371 (National Stage) Applications\u201d</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But when I
              filed the application, I listed the Abstract,
              Specification, drawings, and claims by page ranges, and
              this is correctly reflected on the PTO\u2019s acknowledgement
              receipt.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span
                  style="color:black">From:
                </span></b><span style="color:black">Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;
                on behalf of Patentpractice Patentpractice &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Reply-To: </b>Patentpractice Patentpractice &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 6:59 PM<br>
                <b>To: </b>Patentpractice Patentpractice &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Cc: </b>Patent Lawyer &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:patentlawyer995@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentlawyer995@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Subject: </b>[Patentpractice] National phase under
                371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">I
              filed a national phase application in the USPTO under 35
              USC 371.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">The
              International Bureau (IB) had already provided a copy of
              the application to the USPTO, but with the original filing
              I provided a copy of the published application anyway.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">The
              patent examiner now requires a copy of the specification.
              He has examined the application using the PCT publication.
              I informed him that under the rules, I was not required to
              file a copy of the specification if the IB had already
              communicated it to the USPTO, which they had. However, I
              had already provided a copy. He mentioned that he always
              receives them, to which I responded that I don\u2019t always
              file them if it's not required. 
            </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">What
              he seems to want is a copy of the specification that is
              not the PCT publication.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">When
              I asked the examiner why he needed it, the reason he came
              up with is that it makes it easier for the publication
              team to make corrections.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">He
              did not request a DOCX file. I do have the original Word
              file, but I don't see any reason to file it, especially
              since I amended the specification upon entry to include a
              reference in the first paragraph to the PCT application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">He
              agreed that I could defer this filing.   I don\u2019t want to
              do the work of filing a substitute specification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">The
              examiner\u2019s office action on the merits is thorough and
              detailed, and he has a good understanding of the art, the
              invention, and, of course BRI.  My only issue is this
              requirement to file the specification in some other form
              than the office already has.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Under
              37 CFR 1.495, the requirements for entering the national
              phase include:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">(1)
              A copy of the international application, unless it has
              been previously communicated by the International Bureau
              or unless it was originally filed in the United States
              Patent and Trademark Office; and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">(2)
              The basic national fee (see § 1.492(a)).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Am I
              correct in my understanding and citing the correct rule?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Any
              suggestions for response.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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