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I second this. With all the electronic system disruption, I always file a copy as belt and suspenders against the application number being wrong or wires getting crossed in a simple request. I personally find it less risky to verify by looking at the publication
that the right application is being filed than when I'm double-checking the app number (which I do, of course I open the pub and double check it against the expected app number and the Notice of IA so I have a triple check).</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of Randall Svihla via Patentpractice <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 1, 2024 7:56 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">The PCT Help Desk recommended that we file a copy of the PCT publication in case the wrong PCT number was entered into
EFS Web (now Patent Center) to avoid the need to file an expensive petition to revive the international application with respect to the U.S.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> Suzannah K. Sundby <suzannah@canadylortz.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:18 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Of course, file the translation as the spec, claims, abstract and drawings but no need to file a copy of the PCT publication (or
even the PCT application as filed) the USPTO automatically obtains those directly from WIPO
<u>so long as the US indicated on the IB308(second) form</u>:</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:12 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Almost all of U.S. National Stage applications we file require an English translation because the PCT application was filed
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Best regards,</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> Patentpractice <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" id="OWAe99b11b2-61cb-f45d-62fb-5154a699b819" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a></u></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">>
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<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" id="OWA70d9a0d0-3f98-40b3-0e4f-cfc27a61c294" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a></u></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com" id="OWA33d053c7-d60a-3371-1e1e-fce74a63ffd5" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">carl@oppedahl.com</a></u></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">><br>
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<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">And what Suzannah describes (the filer having the self-control to avoid handing in a copy of spec-claims-abst-drawings when entering US national phase) is actually a Best Practice. It is a Best Practice
to have this self-control because it avoids the possible mistake of handing in <b>
<i>the wrong spec-claims-abst-drawings.</i></b></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">The sole exception being that if (a) the US national-phase entry is being done so early that the PCT publication has not yet happened, and (b) the US was not the RO, then yes you do have to file a copy.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">On 7/31/2024 5:59 PM, Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice wrote:</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">If the PCT is in English, I dont file a copy when entering the US national phase. Never had an Examiner asking for a copy of the
specification to be filed</span></p>
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<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" id="OWAcd6b7137-749d-1858-5069-5de3922eb892" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a></u></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Yes, that's the way the USPTO lists a PCT publication filed with a National Stage application.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">But does image file wrapper contain documents coded as Specification, Claims, Abstract, and Drawings? If not, you need
to call the PCT Help Desk and ask them about this because this is not normal. It appears that the USPTO changed the coding on the PCT publication you uploaded. It seems to me you should not have split it up and coded it as you did. The PCT people did not
process this properly.</span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">What I failed to mention is that the PCT publication is listed in the IFW as:</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">Documents submitted with 371 (National Stage) Applications</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">But when I filed the application, I listed the Abstract, Specification, drawings, and claims by page ranges, and this is correctly
reflected on the PTOs acknowledgement receipt.</span></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>[Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">I filed a national phase application in the USPTO under 35 USC 371.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The International Bureau (IB) had already provided a copy of the application to the USPTO, but with the original filing I provided
a copy of the published application anyway.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The patent examiner now requires a copy of the specification. He has examined the application using the PCT publication. I informed
him that under the rules, I was not required to file a copy of the specification if the IB had already communicated it to the USPTO, which they had. However, I had already provided a copy. He mentioned that he always receives them, to which I responded that
I dont always file them if it's not required. </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">What he seems to want is a copy of the specification that is not the PCT publication.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">When I asked the examiner why he needed it, the reason he came up with is that it makes it easier for the publication team to make
corrections.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">He did not request a DOCX file. I do have the original Word file, but I don't see any reason to file it, especially since I amended
the specification upon entry to include a reference in the first paragraph to the PCT application.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">He agreed that I could defer this filing. I dont want to do the work of filing a substitute specification.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">The examiners office action on the merits is thorough and detailed, and he has a good understanding of the art, the invention, and,
of course BRI. My only issue is this requirement to file the specification in some other form than the office already has.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Under 37 CFR 1.495, the requirements for entering the national phase include:</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">(1) A copy of the international application, unless it has been previously communicated by the International Bureau or unless it
was originally filed in the United States Patent and Trademark Office; and</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">(2) The basic national fee (see 1.492(a)).</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Am I correct in my understanding and citing the correct rule?</span></p>
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