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    <p>The listserv member is, I think, making a sly reference to ePCT. 
      When you enter, say, a priority application number into ePCT, it
      automatically runs off to DAS and cross-checks the digits that you
      entered against the (hopefully) identical digits that are already
      in the DAS system.  If they match, you get a smiley face from
      ePCT.  If they fail to match, you get a frowny face from ePCT. 
      The alert filer who gets a frowny face from ePCT can then look to
      see whether (for example) a couple of digits got transposed.  The
      validation goes so far as to cross-check the application number
      and the (purported) filing date and the two-letter code for the
      office where the filer says the priority application was filed.</p>
    <p>Used to be that the public face of PCT at the USPTO was Mike
      Neas.  Later he got promoted to some other part of the USPTO and
      now he does not do PCT any more.  But shortly before his
      promotion, he said that he had been urging the IT people to add a
      feature to EFS-Web so that when the filer enters the PCT number
      into the first screen of EFS-Web, it would ... wait for it ....
      automatically run off to Patentscope and cross-check the digits
      that you entered against the (hopefully) identical digits that are
      already in Patentscope.  If they match, you get a smiley face from
      EFS-Web.  If they fail to match, you get a frowny face from
      EFS-Web.  Not only that, what he was asking the IT people included
      ... wait for it ... would they please display the invention title
      and applicant name and first inventor name.  So the filer could
      get tipped off if the filer had entered an incorrect PCT number. <br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/2024 9:47 AM, Orvis wrote:<br>
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          style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">If only there was a way
          for software filing systems to do error checking when
          application numbers and other data are entered online. </span>
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          <p>Aug 1, 2024 11:16:24 AM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a>:</p>
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          <p>Normally the USPTO's PCT Help Desk is right about just
            about everything.    But many listserv members are well
            aware, from painful personal experience, that if the wrong
            PCT number was entered into EFS Web, it is impossible to fix
            this for free.  It does not matter now many times the
            not-wrong PCT number appeared somewhere else in the filing
            package.  If the wrong PCT number was entered into that
            first EFS-Web screen, then the only way to get it corrected
            is to pay lots of money to the USPTO.</p>
          <p>Let me say this another way.  If the wrong PCT number was
            entered into that first EFS-Web (now Patent Center) screen,
            and if you later feel you should be able to get the mistake
            corrected without having to pay money to the USPTO, you will
            not succeed.  It does not matter whether you can point to
            one other place, or even a dozen other places, where the
            not-wrong PCT number appeared.  Not in a copy of the first
            page of the PCT pub.  Not in an ADS.  Not in a cover
            letter.  No.  If the place where you made the mistake was in
            that first screen of EFS-Web (now Patent Center), then it is
            too bad, so sad, you have to pay money to the USPTO to get
            them to fix your mistake.</p>
          <p>I suppose maybe what the USPTO PCT Help Desk might have
            been getting at is, if the attempt at a US national-phase
            entry were to turn out to be a total and complete failure,
            then you might find that your only path forward is the
            "petition to revive".  And yes the government fee for the
            petition to revive is more dollars than the government fee
            for "please correct my mistake that I made on the first
            screen of EFS-Web".  But even so, the mere presence of the
            not-wrong PCT number in, say, the ADS will be more than
            sufficient to do the job.  <br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> On 8/1/2024 6:56 AM, Randall
            Svihla via Patentpractice wrote: <br>
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<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Grid 8"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table List 8"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table 3D effects 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table 3D effects 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table 3D effects 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Contemporary"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Elegant"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Professional"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Subtle 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Subtle 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Web 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Web 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Web 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Balloon Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="39" Name="Table Grid"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Table Theme"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" Name="Placeholder Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="1" QFormat="true" Name="No Spacing"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" Name="Revision"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="34" QFormat="true" Name="List Paragraph"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="29" QFormat="true" Name="Quote"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="30" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Quote"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="19" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Emphasis"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="21" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Emphasis"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="31" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="32" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="33" QFormat="true" Name="Book Title"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="37" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Bibliography"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="39" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true" QFormat="true" Name="TOC Heading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="41" Name="Plain Table 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="42" Name="Plain Table 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="43" Name="Plain Table 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="44" Name="Plain Table 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="45" Name="Plain Table 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="40" Name="Grid Table Light"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="List Table 1 Light"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="List Table 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="List Table 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="List Table 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="List Table 5 Dark"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="List Table 6 Colorful"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="List Table 7 Colorful"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="List Table 1 Light Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="List Table 2 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="List Table 3 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="List Table 4 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="List Table 5 Dark Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="List Table 6 Colorful Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="List Table 7 Colorful Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="List Table 1 Light Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="List Table 2 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="List Table 3 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="List Table 4 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="List Table 5 Dark Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="List Table 6 Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="List Table 7 Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="List Table 1 Light Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="List Table 2 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="List Table 3 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="List Table 4 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="List Table 5 Dark Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="List Table 6 Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="List Table 7 Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="List Table 1 Light Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="List Table 2 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="List Table 3 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="List Table 4 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="List Table 5 Dark Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="List Table 6 Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="List Table 7 Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="List Table 1 Light Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="List Table 2 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="List Table 3 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="List Table 4 Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="List Table 5 Dark Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="List Table 6 Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="List Table 7 Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="List Table 1 Light Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="List Table 2 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="List Table 3 Accent 6"/>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">The
                    PCT Help Desk recommended that we file a copy of the
                    PCT publication in case the wrong PCT number was
                    entered into <span class="SpellE">EFS</span> Web
                    (now Patent Center) to avoid the need to file an
                    expensive petition to revive the international
                    application with respect to the U.S. </span></font></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">
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style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-weight:bold;font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></font></b><font
                      size="2"><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;">
                        Suzannah K. Sundby <a
                          class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                          href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;suzannah@canadylortz.com&gt;</a>
                        <br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                        Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:18 AM<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                        For patent practitioners. This is not for
                        laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
                          class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                        Randall Svihla <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                          href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;rsvihla@nsiplaw.com&gt;</a><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                        RE: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 --
                        what's required? </span></font></p>
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              <p><font size="3" face="Calibri"> </font></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">Of
                    course, file the translation as the spec, claims,
                    abstract and drawings\u2026 but no need to file a copy of
                    the PCT publication (or even the PCT application as
                    filed)\u2026 the USPTO automatically obtains those
                    directly from WIPO <u>so long as the US indicated
                      on the IB308(second) form</u>: </span></font></p>
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                        href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssundby/"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><font color="black"><span
style="color:black;text-underline:none;text-decoration:none;">Suzannah
                            K. Sundby</span></font></a></span></font><font
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                      Partner </span></font></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-weight:bold;font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></font></b><font
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                        Patentpractice <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of
                          </span></b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                        Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:12 AM<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                        For patent practitioners. This is not for
                        laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
                          class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                        Randall Svihla <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                          href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;rsvihla@nsiplaw.com&gt;</a><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                        Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 --
                        what's required? </span></font></p>
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                    style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font></p>
              <p><font size="3" face="Calibri"> </font></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">Almost
                    all of U.S. National Stage applications we file
                    require an English translation because the PCT
                    application was filed in a foreign language. </span></font></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">Best
                    regards, </span></font></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">Randall
                    S. Svihla </span></font></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">NSIP
                    Law </span></font></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">Washington,
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                        Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of
                          </span></b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                        Thursday, August 1, 2024 6:45 AM<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                        For patent practitioners. This is not for
                        laypersons to seek legal advice. &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                        Carl Oppedahl &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">carl@oppedahl.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                        Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 --
                        what's required? </span></font></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font></p>
              <p><font size="3" face="Calibri"> </font></p>
              <p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;">And what Suzannah
                    describes (the filer having the self-control to
                    avoid handing in a copy of spec-claims-abst-drawings
                    when entering US national phase) is actually a Best
                    Practice.  It is a Best Practice to have this
                    self-control because it avoids the possible mistake
                    of handing in <b><i><span
                          style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">the
                          wrong spec-claims-abst-drawings.</span></i></b>
                  </span></font></p>
              <p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;">The sole exception being
                    that if (a) the US national-phase entry is being
                    done so early that the PCT publication has not yet
                    happened, and (b) the US was not the RO, then yes
                    you do have to file a copy. </span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:12.0pt;">On
                      7/31/2024 5:59 PM, Suzannah K. Sundby via
                      Patentpractice wrote: </span></font></p>
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              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
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                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">If
                      the PCT is in English, I don\u2019t file a copy when
                      entering the US national phase.<span
                        style="mso-spacerun:yes;">  </span>Never had an
                      Examiner asking for a copy of the specification to
                      be filed\u2026</span></font></p>
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                    face="Times New Roman"><span
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style="color:black;text-underline:none;text-decoration:none;">Suzannah
                              K. Sundby</span></font></a></span></font><font
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                          Patentpractice <a
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                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On Behalf
                              Of </span></b>Randall Svihla via
                          Patentpractice<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                          Wednesday, July 31, 2024 7:21 PM<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                          For patent practitioners. This is not for
                          laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a><br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                          Randall Svihla <a
                            href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">
                            &lt;rsvihla@nsiplaw.com&gt;</a><br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                          Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371
                          -- what's required?</span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;">  </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">Yes,
                      that's the way the USPTO lists a PCT publication
                      filed with a National Stage application.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;">But
                      does image file wrapper contain documents coded as
                      Specification, Claims, Abstract, and Drawings?<span
                        style="mso-spacerun:yes;">  </span>If not, you
                      need to call the PCT Help Desk and ask them about
                      this because this is not normal.<span
                        style="mso-spacerun:yes;">  </span>It appears
                      that the USPTO changed the coding on the PCT
                      publication you uploaded.<span
                        style="mso-spacerun:yes;">  </span>It seems to
                      me you should not have split it up and coded it as
                      you did.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;">  </span>The
                      PCT people did not process this properly.</span></font></p>
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                        size="2"><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:11.0pt;">
                          Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On Behalf
                              Of </span></b>Patent Lawyer via
                          Patentpractice<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                          Wednesday, July 31, 2024 7:07 PM<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                          Patentpractice Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                          Patent Lawyer &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:patentlawyer995@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentlawyer995@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                          Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371
                          -- what's required?</span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;">  </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;">What I failed to mention
                      is that the PCT publication is listed in the IFW
                      as:</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;">\u201cDocuments submitted
                      with 371 (National Stage) Applications\u201d</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;">But when I filed the
                      application, I listed the Abstract, Specification,
                      drawings, and claims by page ranges, and this is
                      correctly reflected on the PTO\u2019s acknowledgement
                      receipt.</span></font></p>
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                      style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></font></p>
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                      color="black"><span style="color:black;">Patentpractice
                        &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
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                        on behalf of Patentpractice Patentpractice &lt;<a
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                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Reply-To: </span></b>Patentpractice
                        Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span></b>Wednesday,
                        July 31, 2024 at 6:59 PM<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span></b>Patentpractice
                        Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc: </span></b>Patent
                        Lawyer &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:patentlawyer995@gmail.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentlawyer995@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span></b>[Patentpractice]
                        National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span></font></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">I
                      filed a national phase application in the USPTO
                      under 35 USC 371.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">The
                      International Bureau (IB) had already provided a
                      copy of the application to the USPTO, but with the
                      original filing I provided a copy of the published
                      application anyway.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">The
                      patent examiner now requires a copy of the
                      specification. He has examined the application
                      using the PCT publication. I informed him that
                      under the rules, I was not required to file a copy
                      of the specification if the IB had already
                      communicated it to the USPTO, which they had.
                      However, I had already provided a copy. He
                      mentioned that he always receives them, to which I
                      responded that I don\u2019t always file them if it's
                      not required.  </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">What
                      he seems to want is a copy of the specification
                      that is not the PCT publication.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">When
                      I asked the examiner why he needed it, the reason
                      he came up with is that it makes it easier for the
                      publication team to make corrections.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">He
                      did not request a DOCX file. I do have the
                      original Word file, but I don't see any reason to
                      file it, especially since I amended the
                      specification upon entry to include a reference in
                      the first paragraph to the PCT application.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">He
                      agreed that I could defer this filing.   I don\u2019t
                      want to do the work of filing a substitute
                      specification.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">The
                      examiner\u2019s office action on the merits is thorough
                      and detailed, and he has a good understanding of
                      the art, the invention, and, of course BRI.  My
                      only issue is this requirement to file the
                      specification in some other form than the office
                      already has.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">Under
                      37 CFR 1.495, the requirements for entering the
                      national phase include:</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">(1)
                      A copy of the international application, unless it
                      has been previously communicated by the
                      International Bureau or unless it was originally
                      filed in the United States Patent and Trademark
                      Office; and</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">(2)
                      The basic national fee (see § 1.492(a)).</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">Am
                      I correct in my understanding and citing the
                      correct rule?</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">Any
                      suggestions for response.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
                    face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;">--
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