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<p>Normally the USPTO's PCT Help Desk is right about just about
everything. But many listserv members are well aware, from
painful personal experience, that if the wrong PCT number was
entered into EFS Web, it is impossible to fix this for free. It
does not matter now many times the not-wrong PCT number appeared
somewhere else in the filing package. If the wrong PCT number was
entered into that first EFS-Web screen, then the only way to get
it corrected is to pay lots of money to the USPTO.</p>
<p>Let me say this another way. If the wrong PCT number was entered
into that first EFS-Web (now Patent Center) screen, and if you
later feel you should be able to get the mistake corrected without
having to pay money to the USPTO, you will not succeed. It does
not matter whether you can point to one other place, or even a
dozen other places, where the not-wrong PCT number appeared. Not
in a copy of the first page of the PCT pub. Not in an ADS. Not
in a cover letter. No. If the place where you made the mistake
was in that first screen of EFS-Web (now Patent Center), then it
is too bad, so sad, you have to pay money to the USPTO to get them
to fix your mistake.</p>
<p>I suppose maybe what the USPTO PCT Help Desk might have been
getting at is, if the attempt at a US national-phase entry were to
turn out to be a total and complete failure, then you might find
that your only path forward is the "petition to revive". And yes
the government fee for the petition to revive is more dollars than
the government fee for "please correct my mistake that I made on
the first screen of EFS-Web". But even so, the mere presence of
the not-wrong PCT number in, say, the ADS will be more than
sufficient to do the job. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/2024 6:56 AM, Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
RE: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 --
what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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course, file the translation as the spec, claims, abstract
and drawings\u2026 but no need to file a copy of the PCT
publication (or even the PCT application as filed)\u2026 the
USPTO automatically obtains those directly from WIPO
<u>so long as the US indicated on the IB308(second) form</u>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
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Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:12 AM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Randall Svihla <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"><rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 --
what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Almost
all of U.S. National Stage applications we file require an
English translation because the PCT application was filed
in a foreign language.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Carl
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, August 1, 2024 6:45 AM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 --
what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And
what Suzannah describes (the filer having the self-control
to avoid handing in a copy of spec-claims-abst-drawings
when entering US national phase) is actually a Best
Practice. It is a Best Practice to have this self-control
because it avoids the possible mistake of handing in
<b><i><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">the
wrong spec-claims-abst-drawings.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
sole exception being that if (a) the US national-phase
entry is being done so early that the PCT publication has
not yet happened, and (b) the US was not the RO, then yes
you do have to file a copy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On
7/31/2024 5:59 PM, Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If
the PCT is in English, I don\u2019t file a copy when entering
the US national phase.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>Never had an Examiner asking for a copy of the
specification to be filed\u2026</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Yes,
that's the way the USPTO lists a PCT publication filed
with a National Stage application.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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does image file wrapper contain documents coded as
Specification, Claims, Abstract, and Drawings?<span
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ask them about this because this is not normal.<span
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</span>It appears that the USPTO changed the coding on
the PCT publication you uploaded.<span
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and coded it as you did.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
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what's required?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">What I failed to mention is
that the PCT publication is listed in the IFW as:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">\u201cDocuments submitted with 371
(National Stage) Applications\u201d</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">But when I filed the
application, I listed the Abstract, Specification,
drawings, and claims by page ranges, and this is
correctly reflected on the PTO\u2019s acknowledgement
receipt.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I
filed a national phase application in the USPTO under 35
USC 371.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
International Bureau (IB) had already provided a copy of
the application to the USPTO, but with the original
filing I provided a copy of the published application
anyway.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
patent examiner now requires a copy of the
specification. He has examined the application using the
PCT publication. I informed him that under the rules, I
was not required to file a copy of the specification if
the IB had already communicated it to the USPTO, which
they had. However, I had already provided a copy. He
mentioned that he always receives them, to which I
responded that I don\u2019t always file them if it's not
required. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What
he seems to want is a copy of the specification that is
not the PCT publication.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">When
I asked the examiner why he needed it, the reason he
came up with is that it makes it easier for the
publication team to make corrections.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">He
did not request a DOCX file. I do have the original Word
file, but I don't see any reason to file it, especially
since I amended the specification upon entry to include
a reference in the first paragraph to the PCT
application.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">He
agreed that I could defer this filing. I don\u2019t want to
do the work of filing a substitute specification.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
examiner\u2019s office action on the merits is thorough and
detailed, and he has a good understanding of the art,
the invention, and, of course BRI. My only issue is
this requirement to file the specification in some other
form than the office already has.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Under
37 CFR 1.495, the requirements for entering the national
phase include:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(1)
A copy of the international application, unless it has
been previously communicated by the International Bureau
or unless it was originally filed in the United States
Patent and Trademark Office; and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(2)
The basic national fee (see § 1.492(a)).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Am
I correct in my understanding and citing the correct
rule?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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