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<p>Yeah, maybe. But I'd guess not. This feature, first requested
by Mike Neas probably five years ago now, does not appear anywhere
in the "what's new and coming soon" area of <a
href="https://www.uspto.gov/patents/apply/patent-center"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.uspto.gov/patents/apply/patent-center</a>
. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/2024 10:05 AM, Randall Svihla
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Perhaps
these things are still on the IT peoples' to do list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
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Patentpractice
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, August 1, 2024 12:00 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Carl
Oppedahl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 --
what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
listserv member is, I think, making a sly reference to
ePCT. When you enter, say, a priority application number
into ePCT, it automatically runs off to DAS and
cross-checks the digits that you entered against the
(hopefully) identical digits that are already in the DAS
system. If they match, you get a smiley face from ePCT.
If they fail to match, you get a frowny face from ePCT.
The alert filer who gets a frowny face from ePCT can then
look to see whether (for example) a couple of digits got
transposed. The validation goes so far as to cross-check
the application number and the (purported) filing date and
the two-letter code for the office where the filer says
the priority application was filed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Used
to be that the public face of PCT at the USPTO was Mike
Neas. Later he got promoted to some other part of the
USPTO and now he does not do PCT any more. But shortly
before his promotion, he said that he had been urging the
IT people to add a feature to EFS-Web so that when the
filer enters the PCT number into the first screen of
EFS-Web, it would ... wait for it .... automatically run
off to Patentscope and cross-check the digits that you
entered against the (hopefully) identical digits that are
already in Patentscope. If they match, you get a smiley
face from EFS-Web. If they fail to match, you get a
frowny face from EFS-Web. Not only that, what he was
asking the IT people included ... wait for it ... would
they please display the invention title and applicant name
and first inventor name. So the filer could get tipped
off if the filer had entered an incorrect PCT number.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On
8/1/2024 9:47 AM, Orvis wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">If
only there was a way for software filing systems to do
error checking when application numbers and other data
are entered online. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Aug 1,
2024 11:16:24 AM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice
<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Normally the USPTO's PCT
Help Desk is right about just about everything.
But many listserv members are well aware, from
painful personal experience, that if the wrong PCT
number was entered into EFS Web, it is impossible to
fix this for free. It does not matter now many
times the not-wrong PCT number appeared somewhere
else in the filing package. If the wrong PCT number
was entered into that first EFS-Web screen, then the
only way to get it corrected is to pay lots of money
to the USPTO.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Let me say this another
way. If the wrong PCT number was entered into that
first EFS-Web (now Patent Center) screen, and if you
later feel you should be able to get the mistake
corrected without having to pay money to the USPTO,
you will not succeed. It does not matter whether
you can point to one other place, or even a dozen
other places, where the not-wrong PCT number
appeared. Not in a copy of the first page of the
PCT pub. Not in an ADS. Not in a cover letter.
No. If the place where you made the mistake was in
that first screen of EFS-Web (now Patent Center),
then it is too bad, so sad, you have to pay money to
the USPTO to get them to fix your mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I suppose maybe what the
USPTO PCT Help Desk might have been getting at is,
if the attempt at a US national-phase entry were to
turn out to be a total and complete failure, then
you might find that your only path forward is the
"petition to revive". And yes the government fee
for the petition to revive is more dollars than the
government fee for "please correct my mistake that I
made on the first screen of EFS-Web". But even so,
the mere presence of the not-wrong PCT number in,
say, the ADS will be more than sufficient to do the
job.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On
8/1/2024 6:56 AM, Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice wrote:
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">The
PCT Help Desk recommended that we file a copy of
the PCT publication in case the wrong PCT number
was entered into EFS Web (now Patent Center) to
avoid the need to file an expensive petition to
revive the international application with respect
to the U.S.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Suzannah K. Sundby <a
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Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:18 AM<br>
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For patent practitioners. This is not for
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Randall Svihla <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">
<rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
RE: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371
-- what's required?
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<p><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Of
course, file the translation as the spec, claims,
abstract and drawings\u2026 but no need to file a copy
of the PCT publication (or even the PCT
application as filed)\u2026 the USPTO automatically
obtains those directly from WIPO
<u>so long as the US indicated on the
IB308(second) form</u>: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:12 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Randall Svihla <a
href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371
-- what's required?
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Almost
all of U.S. National Stage applications we file
require an English translation because the PCT
application was filed in a foreign language. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Best
regards,
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Randall
S. Svihla
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">NSIP
Law
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Washington,
D.C.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Patentpractice <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, August 1, 2024 6:45 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Carl Oppedahl <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371
-- what's required?
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">And what Suzannah
describes (the filer having the self-control to
avoid handing in a copy of
spec-claims-abst-drawings when entering US
national phase) is actually a Best Practice. It
is a Best Practice to have this self-control
because it avoids the possible mistake of handing
in
<b><i><span
style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">the
wrong spec-claims-abst-drawings.</span></i></b>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The sole exception being
that if (a) the US national-phase entry is being
done so early that the PCT publication has not yet
happened, and (b) the US was not the RO, then yes
you do have to file a copy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
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entering the US national phase.<span
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</span>Never had an Examiner asking for a copy
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Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Yes,
that's the way the USPTO lists a PCT publication
filed with a National Stage application.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">But
does image file wrapper contain documents coded
as Specification, Claims, Abstract, and
Drawings?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>If not, you need to call the PCT Help
Desk and ask them about this because this is not
normal.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>It appears that the USPTO changed the
coding on the PCT publication you uploaded.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>It seems to me you should not have split
it up and coded it as you did.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>The PCT people did not process this
properly.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">What I failed to
mention is that the PCT publication is listed in
the IFW as:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">\u201cDocuments submitted
with 371 (National Stage) Applications\u201d</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">But when I filed the
application, I listed the Abstract,
Specification, drawings, and claims by page
ranges, and this is correctly reflected on the
PTO\u2019s acknowledgement receipt.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I
filed a national phase application in the USPTO
under 35 USC 371.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
International Bureau (IB) had already provided a
copy of the application to the USPTO, but with
the original filing I provided a copy of the
published application anyway.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
patent examiner now requires a copy of the
specification. He has examined the application
using the PCT publication. I informed him that
under the rules, I was not required to file a
copy of the specification if the IB had already
communicated it to the USPTO, which they had.
However, I had already provided a copy. He
mentioned that he always receives them, to which
I responded that I don\u2019t always file them if
it's not required. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What
he seems to want is a copy of the specification
that is not the PCT publication.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">When
I asked the examiner why he needed it, the
reason he came up with is that it makes it
easier for the publication team to make
corrections.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">He
did not request a DOCX file. I do have the
original Word file, but I don't see any reason
to file it, especially since I amended the
specification upon entry to include a reference
in the first paragraph to the PCT application.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">He
agreed that I could defer this filing. I don\u2019t
want to do the work of filing a substitute
specification.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
examiner\u2019s office action on the merits is
thorough and detailed, and he has a good
understanding of the art, the invention, and, of
course BRI. My only issue is this requirement
to file the specification in some other form
than the office already has.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Under
37 CFR 1.495, the requirements for entering the
national phase include:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(1)
A copy of the international application, unless
it has been previously communicated by the
International Bureau or unless it was originally
filed in the United States Patent and Trademark
Office; and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(2)
The basic national fee (see § 1.492(a)).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Am
I correct in my understanding and citing the
correct rule?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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