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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">For anyone interested\u2026 look at the file wrapper for 15/321,777, which is the case that I had majorly screwed up. It was a last-minute filing right before Christmas (haste makes waste).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC">While I don\u2019t like/want to publicize my mistakes, I am human and I think many might benefit from this\u2026<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Particularly, in the file wrapper, see:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">PCT legal\u2019s letter notifying me of the screw up<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">04/13/2017 M327 Miscellaneous Communication to Applicant - No Action Count<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My Petition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> 04/18/2017 PET.PCT Petition for review by the PCT legal office<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The Granted Petition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">05/01/2017 PET.DEC.OIPE Petition decision routed to the Office of Patent Application Processing(OPAP) to act on the decision or continue prosecution<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Note, I filed the first page of the PCT publication, the IB308(second), and IB304. I did not file any specification, etc. (The USPTO automatically retrieved such from WIPO.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">FWIW\u2026<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm afraid I don't follow the logic there. How does filing a copy of the published PCT help you avoid a petition to revive?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are two points for identifying the PCT application by application number: on the ADS, and in the screen in EFS where the PTO asks for the PCT application number. For some reason the PTO gives deference to what's entered in EFS, even
though (a) the ADS contains additional identifying information, like the names of the inventors, the name of the assignee/applicant (usually), and the priority applications, making it easy to cross-check if the application number is correct, and (b) the Regs
say that the ADS is supposed to control. So if you make a mistake entering the PCT number in EFS, but you've got it right in the ADS, you have what to point to about the correct number - and you have the law behind you, even though the PTO doesn't care about
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<p class="MsoNormal">But whether you submit a copy of the published PCT, or identify the PCT number in an ADS, how does either of those thing get you around a petition to revive if you enter the PCT number incorrectly in EFS and the PTO (illegally) chooses
to rely on that information instead of the information you've provided elsewhere in the file? As far as the PTO is concerned, you didn't enter the national phase for the application you wanted to enter. So from the PTO's perspective, you missed your date and
need to petition to revive. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What I did miss here? How does filing a copy of the published PCT save you the need to petition to revive?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(A separate but related question is, What happens to the applicant whose application number you mistakenly entered when he wants to file a 371?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 3:58<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM Randall Svihla via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The PCT Help Desk recommended that we file a copy of the PCT publication in case the wrong PCT number was entered into
<span class="m5531561544506364844spelle">EFS</span> Web (now Patent Center) to avoid the need to file an expensive petition to revive the international application with respect to the U.S.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Suzannah K. Sundby <<a href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com" target="_blank">suzannah@canadylortz.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Of course, file the translation as the spec, claims, abstract and drawings\u2026 but no need to file a copy of the PCT publication (or
even the PCT application as filed)\u2026 the USPTO automatically obtains those directly from WIPO
<u>so long as the US indicated on the IB308(second) form</u>:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Almost all of U.S. National Stage applications we file require an English translation because the PCT application was
filed in a foreign language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 1, 2024 6:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com" target="_blank">carl@oppedahl.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And what Suzannah describes (the filer having the self-control to avoid handing in a copy of spec-claims-abst-drawings when entering US national phase) is actually a Best Practice. It is a
Best Practice to have this self-control because it avoids the possible mistake of handing in
<b><i>the wrong spec-claims-abst-drawings.</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The sole exception being that if (a) the US national-phase entry is being done so early that the PCT publication has not yet happened, and (b) the US was not the RO, then yes you do have to
file a copy. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On 7/31/2024 5:59 PM, Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If the PCT is in English, I don\u2019t file a copy when entering the US national phase. Never had an Examiner asking for a copy of
the specification to be filed\u2026</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 31, 2024 7:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank"><rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yes, that's the way the USPTO lists a PCT publication filed with a National Stage application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">But does image file wrapper contain documents coded as Specification, Claims, Abstract, and Drawings? If not, you
need to call the PCT Help Desk and ask them about this because this is not normal. It appears that the USPTO changed the coding on the PCT publication you uploaded. It seems to me you should not have split it up and coded it as you did. The PCT people did
not process this properly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Patent Lawyer via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>To:</b> Patentpractice Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Patent Lawyer <<a href="mailto:patentlawyer995@gmail.com" target="_blank">patentlawyer995@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What I failed to mention is that the PCT publication is listed in the IFW as:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">\u201cDocuments submitted with 371 (National Stage) Applications\u201d</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But when I filed the application, I listed the Abstract, Specification, drawings, and claims by page ranges, and
this is correctly reflected on the PTO\u2019s acknowledgement receipt.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="color:black">Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> on behalf of Patentpractice Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Patentpractice Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 6:59 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Patentpractice Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Patent Lawyer <<a href="mailto:patentlawyer995@gmail.com" target="_blank">patentlawyer995@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Patentpractice] National phase under 371 -- what's required?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I filed a national phase application in the USPTO under 35 USC 371.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The International Bureau (IB) had already provided a copy of the application to the USPTO, but with the original filing I provided
a copy of the published application anyway.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The patent examiner now requires a copy of the specification. He has examined the application using the PCT publication. I informed
him that under the rules, I was not required to file a copy of the specification if the IB had already communicated it to the USPTO, which they had. However, I had already provided a copy. He mentioned that he always receives them, to which I responded that
I don\u2019t always file them if it's not required. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What he seems to want is a copy of the specification that is not the PCT publication.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">When I asked the examiner why he needed it, the reason he came up with is that it makes it easier for the publication team to make
corrections.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">He did not request a DOCX file. I do have the original Word file, but I don't see any reason to file it, especially since I amended
the specification upon entry to include a reference in the first paragraph to the PCT application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">He agreed that I could defer this filing. I don\u2019t want to do the work of filing a substitute specification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The examiner\u2019s office action on the merits is thorough and detailed, and he has a good understanding of the art, the invention,
and, of course BRI. My only issue is this requirement to file the specification in some other form than the office already has.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Under 37 CFR 1.495, the requirements for entering the national phase include:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(1) A copy of the international application, unless it has been previously communicated by the International Bureau or unless it
was originally filed in the United States Patent and Trademark Office; and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(2) The basic national fee (see § 1.492(a)).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Am I correct in my understanding and citing the correct rule?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Any suggestions for response.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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