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<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The receiving Office, where required by the national law, reviews the international application for national security matters (<a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r22.html#_22_1_a">Rule 22.1(a)</a>). Subject
to the prescriptions of the national law, international processing may continue. National security clearance should, subject to <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/ro/ro32_34.html#_33">paragraph 33</a>, be given not later than at the time when the transmittal
of the record copy is due under <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r22.html#_22_1_a">Rule 22.1(a)</a>, that is, early enough for the record copy to reach the International Bureau before the expiration of the 13th month from the priority date.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 6:36 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.' <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Carl Oppedahl <carl@oppedahl.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Patentpractice] O/US being slow (was RE: group letter)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A reminder of the importance of using RO/IB whenever you can.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Even though the PCT Help Desk did not mention a security review, I am confident that is the actual explanation for the delay.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The way you will know this for sure is when you receive the letter telling you when they granted the FFL. I predict it will turn out that the FFL got granted only a day or two before the record
copy got sent to the IB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On 8/6/2024 12:46 PM,
<a href="mailto:guyvmann@gvmlaw.net">guyvmann@gvmlaw.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sort of related question:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Why would it take the USPTO as RO almost
<b><i><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">three months (and counting) to transmit the IA to the IB</span></i></b>?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Details:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">IA filed May 7, 2024; IA number assigned by RO and appears in PC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Fees show paid. Same $ amount shows in ePCT fee calc. sheet, doubtless derived from the Request</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">i.e., they\u2019ve been holding about $ 3800 of client\u2019s money for nearly 3 months now</span></font><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Priority claim to US provisional filed May 8, 2023 is recognized in the PC record.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">PC\u2019s status shows: \u201c</span></font><font color="#1b1b1b" face="Segoe UI"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B;background:white">Application Undergoing Preexam
Processing 05/07/2024\u201d</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Case shows up in ePCT, with relevant info from Request (document sizes, names, etc.) which was entered into ePCT to generate the zip file, of course.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But ePCT says:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">No IA number assigned (to be assigned by RO)</span></font><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6;tab-stops:list .5in">
<font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Priority claim too late (but don\u2019t worry about it if you filed the IA timely)</span></font><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In other words, the IB hasn\u2019t heard from the RO since I downloaded the zip file.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And, of course, the expected ISA search and report (EPO) hasn\u2019t even begun yet because the IB doesn\u2019t have what it needs.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">Are others experiencing this kind of delay?</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">I\u2019m not sure whose cage to rattle about this.</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:40 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Carl Oppedahl <a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Patentpractice] group letter (was venting - failure to download priority document from DAS)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And we can remind them that as for the third, fourth, and fifth "asks", this is Feature Request FR20 which the USPTO received on July 6, 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And we can remind them that as for the sixth "ask", this is Feature Request FR21 which the USPTO received on July 6, 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And we can remind them that as for the seventh "ask", this is Feature Request FR22 which the USPTO received on July 6, 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 8/6/2024 10:30 AM, Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Recall that we already sent a group letter about DAS. You can read about it here:
<a href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/">
https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/</a> . This was on February 22, 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Oh and the new group letter can remind the reader that this is already our second time asking for the end of the foot-dragging. We asked for that in the group letter just mentioned, more than
four years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Oh and yes there is a tenth "ask" namely that RO/US become a Depositing Office in DAS. We asked for this in the group letter of four years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 8/6/2024 10:20 AM, Carl Oppedahl wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yeah, a group letter would be a good idea. there would be multiple "asks".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">First, can they stop the foot-dragging on the retrieval. In present procedure, they always foot-drag the retrieval until the case is getting released from the OPAP to the Examining Corps. The
correct behavior would be to retrieve the ECC (electronic certified copy) without delay, later the same day after the filer requests the retrieval.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Second, can they eliminate the human hand-keyed aspect of this. The ADS provides the DAS access code in computer-readable characters. The USPTO should extract the computer-readable DAS access
code from inside the XML of the ADS, and should auto-load these computer-readable characters directly into the retrieval system. It is stupid to flatten the ADS to an image, and then halftone it, and then resample the DPI, and then ask a human being at the
USPTO to read it and hand-key it into the retrieval system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Third, can the USPTO please just take WIPO's example and provide a USPTO click path (perhaps within Patent Center) by which the filer can carry out the "action" (as in ePCT) of requesting the retrieval.
And then the click path will do a real-time lookup in DAS and in real time, the click path will display the results of the real-time lookup. In this way, the filer can instantly learn whether there is a problem with the DAS code. And then the actual retrieval
should proceed in an automatic way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Fourth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in an ADS, can Patent Center simply extract the computer-readable DAS access code from the ADS and validate it in real time
against DAS, at the time of the upload of the ADS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Fifth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in a web-based ADS, can Patent Center simply validate it in real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the filer's entry
of the DAS access code into the web-based ADS. Note that we first asked for this in July of 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sixth, Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the results of the cross-check against DAS (success or failure).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Seventh, </span></font><font color="#333333" face="Libre Franklin"><span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority
tab, the results of the retrieval attempt from DAS. If the retrieval from DAS worked, Patent Center needs to say so, along with the date that it happened and whether or not that date satisfies the 4-and-16 date. If the retrieval from DAS failed, Patent Center
needs to say so.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#333333" face="Libre Franklin"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Eighth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and fails, the USPTO should explicitly communicate
this failure to the filer by means of an email notification, providing verbatim the text of the error message from DAS.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#333333" face="Libre Franklin"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Ninth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and succeeds, the USPTO should explicitly communicate
this success to the filer by means of an email notification.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks for the responses. There are a number of frustrating aspects to this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I will proceed with a "corrected" ADS, request for corrected filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And, of course, an interim copy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Maybe this situation calls for another group letter? I can volunteer to draft one and circulate for comments (though probably not immediately).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Krista<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:42</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What he said. It is super important to set up tracking in the DAS system for every would-be priority document.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 8/6/2024 9:09 AM, Randall Svihla via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi, Alan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sometime the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8 for B, etc.) and submits the
wrong access code, Sometimes the client gives you the wrong access code. By setting up tracking in the WIPO Digital Access Service, you can see these errors.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice <a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">
<patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Alan Taboada via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Alan Taboada <a href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank">
<ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#0e2841" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#0e2841" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">In the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with the DAS
code provided.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#0e2841" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#0e2841" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">However, I would love to know if there is a better way to
get this done as, in our experience, the USPTO has been failing to retrieve priority applications much more frequently and with greater and greater hoops to be jumped through to try to get the USPTO to electronically retrieve the certified copy of the priority
document. In some cases, we needed to resort to obtaining a paper version of the certified copy ourselves to provide to the USPTO because the USPTO is incapable of obtaining it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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try that to see if that gives us better results (thanks, Randall)!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Patentpractice <a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">
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</span></b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Krista Jacobsen <a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I have the same question as Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">An application ("FPA") was filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that participates in DAS.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The DAS code for FPA was not provided by the foreign associates before USNP was filed, so the DAS code does not appear
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The 4/16 deadline is approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will
also be submitting an interim copy in case they dawdle.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It seems like it should be simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the application you already know about, please
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Years ago when I had to do this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B that allowed the DAS code to be provided.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The current SB/38 form only "requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the following foreign priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual property office participating with the USPTO in a priority document exchange agreement</u> ('Participating Office') but was submitted in an application subsequently filed with a Participating Office that permits
the USPTO to retrieve such copy." <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">That is not my situation. I just need to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can retrieve the application from another Participating
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Do I submit a "corrected" ADS to provide the DAS code in the foreign priority info section?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Is there a different form to do this that I have missed? I looked through the list of forms provided by the USPTO and
did not see anything that seemed applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That form seems to only allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which the priority application was filed, right? It
does not mention obtaining the document from WIPO.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-style:italic">Please retrieve the foreign priority application identified in Column C, a copy of which is contained
in the EP or JP application identified in Columns A and B:</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull the priority document via DAS? Am I missing something?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is a stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree this is incredibly frustrating! Especially as they do not notify you when they have successfully obtained it
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Filed an application that claims priority only from a non-US application. Foreign priority app is in DAS (I checked with
WIPO). Provided the USPTO with the foreign application no. and the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at the time of filing. Got the filing receipt, and it acknowledges the foreign priority claim and that the DAS code was provided, and says that the USPTO "will
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