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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have the same question as Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An application ("FPA") was filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that participates in DAS.
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<p class="MsoNormal">A U.S. non-provisional application ("USNP") was filed and claims priority to FPA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The DAS code for FPA was not provided by the foreign associates before USNP was filed, so the DAS code does not appear in the field of the ADS.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The 4/16 deadline is approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will also be submitting an interim copy in case they dawdle.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems like it should be simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the application you already know about, please retrieve it"), and yet I cannot figure out how.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Years ago when I had to do this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B that allowed the DAS code to be provided. But that form is dated 2017 and seems to have been abrogated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The current SB/38 form only "requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the following foreign priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual property office participating with the USPTO in a priority document exchange agreement</u> ('Participating Office') but was submitted in an application subsequently filed with a Participating Office that permits
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is not my situation. I just need to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can retrieve the application from another Participating Office.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do I submit a "corrected" ADS to provide the DAS code in the foreign priority info section?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there a different form to do this that I have missed? I looked through the list of forms provided by the USPTO and did not see anything that seemed applicable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 9:52<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Erin Geraghty via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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the document from WIPO.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i>Please retrieve the foreign priority application identified in Column C, a copy of which is contained in the EP or JP application identified in Columns A and B:</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull the priority document via DAS? Am I missing something?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is a stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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options A and B) to see if they would retrieve it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda Zaveta via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>; Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com" target="_blank">djf@iliplaw.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It\u2019s even more frustrating when they check the box on the OA or NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been. This happens a lot and when we check
Patent Center, it isn\u2019t there. Then we have to try and get in touch with someone to request that they retrieve it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree this is incredibly frustrating! Especially as they do not notify you when they have successfully obtained it via DAS except by checking a
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<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Filed an application that claims priority only from a non-US application. Foreign priority app is in DAS (I checked with WIPO). Provided the USPTO with the foreign application no.
and the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at the time of filing. Got the filing receipt, and it acknowledges the foreign priority claim and that the DAS code was provided, and says that the USPTO "will attempt to electronically retrieve" the priority doc. But of
course, the p.d. isn't yet in the electronic file.<o:p></o:p></p>
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