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<p>What he said. It is super important to set up tracking in the
DAS system for every would-be priority document.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/6/2024 9:09 AM, Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Hi,
Alan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Sometime
the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8 for B,
etc.) and submits the wrong access code,<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Sometimes the client
gives you the wrong access code.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>By setting up tracking in the WIPO Digital Access
Service, you can see these errors.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Best
regards.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Randall
S. Svihla<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">
Patentpractice
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Alan Taboada via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Alan
Taboada <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com"><ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">In
the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with the DAS
code provided.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">However,
I would love to know if there is a better way to get this
done as, in our experience, the USPTO has been failing to
retrieve priority applications much more frequently and
with greater and greater hoops to be jumped through to try
to get the USPTO to electronically retrieve the certified
copy of the priority document. In some cases, we needed
to resort to obtaining a paper version of the certified
copy ourselves to provide to the USPTO because the USPTO
is incapable of obtaining it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Having
seen Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting send, we will try
that to see if that gives us better results (thanks,
Randall)!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Krista
Jacobsen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com"><krista@jacobseniplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">I have the same question as
Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">An application ("FPA") was
filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that participates
in DAS.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">A U.S. non-provisional
application ("USNP") was filed and claims priority to
FPA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The DAS code for FPA was not
provided by the foreign associates before USNP was
filed, so the DAS code does not appear in the field of
the ADS.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The 4/16 deadline is
approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO
retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will also
be submitting an interim copy in case they dawdle.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">It seems like it should be
simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the
application you already know about, please retrieve
it"), and yet I cannot figure out how.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Years ago when I had to do
this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B
that allowed the DAS code to be provided. But that
form is dated 2017 and seems to have been abrogated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The current SB/38 form only
"requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the
following foreign priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual
property office participating with the USPTO in a
priority document exchange agreement</u>
('Participating Office') but was submitted in an
application subsequently filed with a Participating
Office that permits the USPTO to retrieve such copy."
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">That is not my situation. I
just need to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can
retrieve the application from another Participating
Office.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Do I submit a "corrected" ADS
to provide the DAS code in the foreign priority info
section?
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Is there a different form to
do this that I have missed? I looked through the list
of forms provided by the USPTO and did not see
anything that seemed applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Krista<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Krista S.
Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Attorney and
Counselor at Law<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Jacobsen IP Law<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">T: 408.455.5539<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 9:52</span></font><font
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">That form seems to only
allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which
the priority application was filed, right? It
does not mention obtaining the document from
WIPO.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><font
size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-style:italic">Please
retrieve the foreign priority application
identified in Column C, a copy of which is
contained in the EP or JP application
identified in Columns A and B:</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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size="2" face="Aptos"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear
to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull
the priority document via DAS? Am I missing
something?
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is a
stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
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Patentpractice <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, May 16, 2024 11:50 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
For patent practitioners. This is not for
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Randall Svihla <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Have
you ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38 Request to
Retrieve Electronic Priority Application(s) (the
old form with options A and B) to see if they
would retrieve it?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Linda Zaveta via
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:24 AM<br>
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For patent practitioners. This is not for
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">It\u2019s even more
frustrating when they check the box on the OA or
NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been.
This happens a lot and when we check Patent
Center, it isn\u2019t there. Then we have to try and
get in touch with someone to request that they
retrieve it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">Filed an
application that claims priority only from a
non-US application. Foreign priority app is
in DAS (I checked with WIPO). Provided the
USPTO with the foreign application no. and
the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at the time
of filing. Got the filing receipt, and it
acknowledges the foreign priority claim and
that the DAS code was provided, and says
that the USPTO "will attempt to
electronically retrieve" the priority doc.
But of course, the p.d. isn't yet in the
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to retrieve the p.d. is not news, Carl and
others have written about it. But it still
bugs me: how hard would it be for the PTO to
retrieve the document NOW instead of
waiting?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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