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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Yes. Congrats!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Guy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 2:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Excellent result!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 3:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Krista Jacobsen <<a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Update!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The examiner's supervisor just e-mailed to say that the Office will honor the 3-month reply deadline, and he is going to change the document code in Patent Center from "Untimely (Late) Amendment filed" to the proper code.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista S. Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Attorney and Counselor at Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jacobsen IP Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>T: 408.455.5539<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:18\u202fPM Krista Jacobsen <<a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And, also, 37 CFR § 1.134 states that "An Office action will notify the applicant of any non-statutory or shortened statutory time period set for reply to an Office action. Unless the applicant is notified in writing that a reply is required in less than six months, a maximum period of six months is allowed."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It seems to me that a reasonable interpretation of this regulation is that the applicant is entitled to rely on whatever the Office Action says the deadline for reply is. Otherwise, the USPTO is placing the burden of determining reply deadlines on applicants, which surely cannot be right.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista S. Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Attorney and Counselor at Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jacobsen IP Law<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>T: 408.455.5539<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 11:49\u202fAM Timothy Snowden via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Although practically I would follow Randall's suggestion, this phrase caught me: "I am sure the Examiner is not authorized to change the shortened statutory period for a particular type of Office Action."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='color:black'>Is the 2-months statutorily set? My understanding is that the "shortened statutory periods" are not set by any statute. MPEP 710.02(b) begins with "Under the authority given him or her by </span><b><u><span style='color:#031D4E'><a href="https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/mpep-9015-appx-l.html#d0e303207aia" target="_blank"><span style='color:#031D4E'>35 U.S.C. 133</span></a></span></u></b><span style='color:black'>, the Director of the USPTO <b><i>has directed the examiner</i></b> to set a shortened period for reply to every action. The length of the shortened statutory period to be used depends on the type of reply required. Some specific cases of shortened statutory periods for reply are given below. <b><i>These periods may be changed under special, rarely occurring circumstances</i></b>." Accordingly, it seems that the Examiner (or at least, some examiners) would be able to change the 'default' shortened periods (shorter or longer) \u2013 this is why I always double check what is written in case (so far it's never happened to me) they shortened the default shortened period...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><ol start=2 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;list-style-type:"2) "'>Furthermore, that guidance binds the examiner, not the applicant. Even assuming the examiner <i>shouldn't </i>have changed it, the examiner is speaking with the force of the USPTO Director. Accordingly, the only thing the applicant has to go off of is what was set in the official notice from the USPTO. It seems like there is some rule or court case that when the USPTO makes a mistake that they don't catch until afterwards, that doesn't take away the applicant's rights \u2013 maybe in the context of the USPTO miscalculating fees due (USPTO mistake, not based on applicant mistake), and then issuing the patent doesn't make the patent invalid. It seems like this would be corollary, although I defer to better minds there.<o:p></o:p></li></ol></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Just some thoughts triggered by one short phrase...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_5944801496585837065m_7625184188049616534m_2091404106683926615m_-697075650478517759m_4156552340744431394divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> on behalf of Randall Svihla via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 1:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hi, Krista</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am a big fan of cursing the darkness rather than lighting a candle. But in this case I would light the candle.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am sure that the USPTO's systems have the appropriate due dates programmed into the system, so that when an Office Action or a Final Office Action or a Restriction Requirement is entered into the system, the correct due date is entered into the system regardless of what the Examiner types in the Office Action Summary.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>MPEP 710.02(b) states as follows on MPEP page 700-119:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>2 MONTHS</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>(A) Requirement for restriction or election of species only (no action on the merits) ...... MPEP §§ 809.02(a) and 817.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am sure the Examiner is not authorized to change the shortened statutory period for a particular type of Office Action.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>While you are technically correct, you would have to file a Petition Under 37 CFR 1.181 to get this fixed, and there is no guarantee they would agree with you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>So just paying the one-month extension of time fee would be the most cost-effective way to go, considering the time it would take you to prepare the petition. Plus the petition will almost certainly not be decided until the 6-month statutory period for response has expired, so you would have to file an RCE to avoid the application from going abandoned.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Did your response not include an authorization to pay for any extension of time fee that may be required?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Randall S. Svihla</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>NSIP Law</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Washington, D.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p style='margin:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 1:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Krista Jacobsen <<a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application<o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In case anyone wondered what happened here, I have a fun (as in, not at all fun) update.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I prepared a reply so that we could meet the 2-month deadline, but I didn't receive client instructions until after it passed. As a result, I filed the reply after the 2-month deadline but before the 3-month deadline indicated in the Office Action. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The reply in Patent Center is now labeled as "Untimely (Late)."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I sent e-mail to the AAU asking for the reply recognized as timely because the Office Action set a 3-month period for reply, and the reply was filed before that deadline passed. So far, I have received no response, and nothing has changed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In an attempt to avoid having to actually call the AAU and sit on hold forever, today I called the examiner to see if she could do what needs to be done. She said, "Oh, yeah, that was a typo by me, it should've been 2 months. That's why the reply is considered late." I said, "OK, but the reply was not late. The Office Action says 3 months." She said, "Yeah, but it should've been 2 months." I said, "Yeah, but it SAYS 3 months." She then suggested I file a petition/fee for a 1-month extension of time. I said, no, the Office Action says 3 months, typo or not, and I filed before 3 months, and therefore the reply was timely and needs to be recognized as timely. As in, the USPTO needs to fix this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>She said she's going to try to figure out who needs to be contacted to address it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So I am now in exactly the situation I had hoped to avoid, trying to get the USPTO to acknowledge its own error so my client is not penalized for my presumption that the USPTO meant what it said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krista<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krista S. Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Attorney and Counselor at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jacobsen IP Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>T: 408.455.5539<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:11\u202fPM Krista Jacobsen <<u><span style='color:blue'><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></span></u>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi David,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This is very helpful -- thank you. I was thinking that the coding of the document would automatically set a 2-month deadline, but if the clerks actually do look at the OA itself to set the PTO's timers, then I do not have to worry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krista<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krista S. Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Attorney and Counselor at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jacobsen IP Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>T: 408.455.5539<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 6:50\u202fAM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<u><span style='color:blue'><a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a></span></u>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The examiner is wrong. Look at the statute, specifically section 133. "Such action" controls over usual practice or what the examiner wishes he/she might have done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This isn't enforced by the examiner. Once an action goes out, extensions are enforced by the intake clerks. When the Action goes out, the examiner clicks a box "2 months" vs "3 months" and that ends up on the action cover sheet, and that's what the intake clerks will enforce when you file a reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It ain't broke. Don't fix it. Classic case of "to ask permission is to seek denial."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 7:24\u202fAM Angela Armstrong-Baker via Patentpractice <<u><span style='color:blue'><a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a></span></u>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hi Krista.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>This happened to us this week as well. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<u><span style='color:blue'><a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a></span></u>><br><b>Cc:</b> Krista Jacobsen <<u><span style='color:blue'><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></span></u>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application<o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Am I right to be suspicious of a 3-month reply period for a lack-of-unity finding in a U.S. national phase application?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This is my first lack-of-unity finding in the U.S. national phase, and I was pleasantly surprised that the examiner applied the correct standard. The office action purports to set a reply deadline of 3 months, but I am wondering if that is correct, given that ordinary restriction requirements have a 2-month reply period.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am concerned that the coding of the office action ("Requirement for restriction/election"), and not what the office action actually says, automatically starts a clock in the USPTO's systems, and if I take the 3-month deadline at face value and wait until after the 2-month date passes to file a reply, I could end up in a situation where they want a petition and fee for a 1-month extension of time. Fighting them about that would be more complicated and costly than just replying within 2 months.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Before I call the examiner, I wanted to check with the brain trust to see if perhaps this is a completely normal situation, and I'm worrying for nothing. (For example, is there a rule that all replies in the national phase get at least 3 months? I couldn't find anything, but I did not do an exhaustive search.) Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krista<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krista S. 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