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<p>Simply setting up the tracking in DAS will accomplish this.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/6/2024 10:06 AM, Randall Svihla
via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Hi,
Carl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">How
do you get the DAS system to send you emails?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Malgun Gothic";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Randall
S. Svihla<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">
Carl Oppedahl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"><carl@oppedahl.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 12:04 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Alan
you have done everything right so far.</span></font><font
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Eventually
(hopefully) USPTO will get around to actually attempting
the retrieval from DAS. When that happens, the USPTO will
trip a tripwire. The DAS system will fire off an email to
you letting you know what the USPTO did, or tried to do.
Maybe DAS will tell you that the USPTO succeeded. If so,
then this is a big help because if the USPTO lies to you
and says they did not succeed, you will know they lied to
you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The
other possible result is DAS telling you that the USPTO
tried and failed. DAS will also do the best they can to
let you know the cause of the failure. The most common
cause, as others have described, is a USPTO person
fat-fingering it for example keying an 8 as a B or a zero
as a capital "O". Never mind that the USPTO person ought
to have been trained to know that it is hexadecimal, so
that "O" is an unacceptable choice by the USPTO person.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On
8/6/2024 9:53 AM, Alan Taboada via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Thank
you, Randall \u2013</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">When
I look at the DAS Applicant Portal, I see the priority
document, and a certificate of availability is there,
but the \u201cLast Accessed\u201d cell is blank (as is the
\u201cTracked By\u201d cell).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Perhaps
we are setting up tracking incorrectly? (although I only
see one button to \u201cAdd Tracking\u201d and one button to
\u201cRemove Tracking\u201d and I added the case by pressing the
Add Tracking button and entering the relevant
information) (As another aside, I do have other cases
in my workbench that show \u201cLast accessed\u201d data and
\u201cTracked By\u201d data.)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Also,
I can confirm that the access code provided by the
client is correct, as is the priority number and filing
date. And I further double-checked and confirmed that
the information we provided to the USPTO is correct.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">We
have no way of confirming whether or not the USPTO
misread or otherwise submitted an incorrect access code
(or other priority information) that caused them to fail
to retrieve the priority document. It would be nice if
the USPTO actually informed users that the retrieval
attempt was unsuccessful and why.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Is
there some special way to see this information?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Thanks
again,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Alan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Randall Svihla <a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a>
<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:10 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice.
<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Alan Taboada <a href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
RE: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi,
Alan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sometime
the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8 for B,
etc.) and submits the wrong access code, Sometimes the
client gives you the wrong access code. By setting up
tracking in the WIPO Digital Access Service, you can see
these errors.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best
regards.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Randall
S. Svihla</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan
Taboada via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice. <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Alan Taboada <<a
href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ataboada@mtiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">In
the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with the DAS
code provided.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">However,
I would love to know if there is a better way to get
this done as, in our experience, the USPTO has been
failing to retrieve priority applications much more
frequently and with greater and greater hoops to be
jumped through to try to get the USPTO to electronically
retrieve the certified copy of the priority document.
In some cases, we needed to resort to obtaining a paper
version of the certified copy ourselves to provide to
the USPTO because the USPTO is incapable of obtaining
it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Having
seen Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting send, we will try
that to see if that gives us better results (thanks,
Randall)!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Krista
Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice. <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Krista Jacobsen <<a
href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">I have the same question as
Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">An application ("FPA") was
filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that
participates in DAS.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">A U.S. non-provisional
application ("USNP") was filed and claims priority
to FPA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The DAS code for FPA was
not provided by the foreign associates before USNP
was filed, so the DAS code does not appear in the
field of the ADS.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The 4/16 deadline is
approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO
retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will
also be submitting an interim copy in case they
dawdle.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">It seems like it should be
simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the
application you already know about, please retrieve
it"), and yet I cannot figure out how.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Years ago when I had to do
this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option
B that allowed the DAS code to be provided. But that
form is dated 2017 and seems to have been abrogated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The current SB/38 form only
"requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the
following foreign priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual
property office participating with the USPTO in a
priority document exchange agreement</u>
('Participating Office') but was submitted in an
application subsequently filed with a Participating
Office that permits the USPTO to retrieve such
copy." <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">That is not my situation. I
just need to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can
retrieve the application from another Participating
Office.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Do I submit a "corrected"
ADS to provide the DAS code in the foreign priority
info section?
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Is there a different form
to do this that I have missed? I looked through the
list of forms provided by the USPTO and did not see
anything that seemed applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Krista<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Krista S.
Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Attorney and
Counselor at Law<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Jacobsen IP Law<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><a
href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">T:
408.455.5539<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><a
href="https://link.edgepilot.com/s/ecbebddd/1VqL_JWTpkKQnA9grqI70g?u=http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://link.edgepilot.com/s/ecbebddd/1VqL_JWTpkKQnA9grqI70g?u=http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at
9:52</span></font><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM
Erin Geraghty via Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">That form seems to
only allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in
which the priority application was filed,
right? It does not mention obtaining the
document from WIPO.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><font
size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-style:italic">Please
retrieve the foreign priority application
identified in Column C, a copy of which is
contained in the EP or JP application
identified in Columns A and B:</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear
to be an actual form for requesting the PTO
pull the priority document via DAS? Am I
missing something?
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is
a stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Erin
D. Geraghty</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Office
Manager</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Browdy
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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you ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38 Request
to Retrieve Electronic Priority Application(s)
(the old form with options A and B) to see if
they would retrieve it?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of </span></b>Linda Zaveta via
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For patent practitioners. This is not for
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">It\u2019s even more
frustrating when they check the box on the OA
or NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t
been. This happens a lot and when we check
Patent Center, it isn\u2019t there. Then we have
to try and get in touch with someone to
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:05 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Dan Feigelson <<a
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For patent practitioners. This is not for
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree this is
incredibly frustrating! Especially as they do
not notify you when they have successfully
obtained it via DAS except by checking a box
on an OA or NOA. It is even more troubling
when for some reason they run into an issue
and do not let you know they have encountered
an issue. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size="2" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Also, when they have
not properly downloaded it, the responsible
parties at the PTO are less than helpful when
trying to figure out what happened. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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[Patentpractice] venting - failure to
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the USPTO with the foreign application no.
and the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at
the time of filing. Got the filing
receipt, and it acknowledges the foreign
priority claim and that the DAS code was
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it still bugs me: how hard would it be for
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