<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Guy,</div><div><br></div><div>This has happened to me when applications are caught in national security review. It's delightful because the USPTO takes months even to say what is happening. And I've had to discover the notices they eventually post in the file wrapper. I don't recall getting any sort of notification of them. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I found out about a couple of application statuses by calling the PCT Help Desk. They told me the reason for the lack of activity and also said I'd have to wait for the 6 months to pass before anything could be done.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Krista<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 11:49\u202fAM guyvmann--- via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1460103003336126063"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1460103003336126063WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Sort of related question: <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Why would it take the USPTO as RO almost <b><i>three months (and counting) to transmit the IA to the IB</i></b>?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Details: <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">IA filed May 7, 2024; IA number assigned by RO and appears in PC<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Fees show paid. Same $ amount shows in ePCT fee calc. sheet, doubtless derived from the Request<u></u><u></u></span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="m_1460103003336126063MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt">i.e., they\u2019ve been holding about $ 3800 of client\u2019s money for nearly 3 months now<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul><p class="m_1460103003336126063MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Priority claim to US provisional filed May 8, 2023 is recognized in the PC record.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">PC\u2019s status shows: \u201c</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:rgb(27,27,27);background:white">Application Undergoing Preexam Processing 05/07/2024\u201d<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:rgb(27,27,27);background:white"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Case shows up in ePCT, with relevant info from Request (document sizes, names, etc.) which was entered into ePCT to generate the zip file, of course.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">But ePCT says:<u></u><u></u></span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="m_1460103003336126063MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt">No IA number assigned (to be assigned by RO)<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_1460103003336126063MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt">Priority claim too late (but don\u2019t worry about it if you filed the IA timely)<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">In other words, the IB hasn\u2019t heard from the RO since I downloaded the zip file.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">And, of course, the expected ISA search and report (EPO) hasn\u2019t even begun yet because the IB doesn\u2019t have what it needs.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">Are others experiencing this kind of delay?<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">I\u2019m not sure whose cage to rattle about this.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Guy<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:navy">Guy V. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com" target="_blank">carl@oppedahl.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] group letter (was venting - failure to download priority document from DAS)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p>And we can remind them that as for the third, fourth, and fifth "asks", this is Feature Request FR20 which the USPTO received on July 6, 2020.<u></u><u></u></p><p>And we can remind them that as for the sixth "ask", this is Feature Request FR21 which the USPTO received on July 6, 2020.<u></u><u></u></p><p>And we can remind them that as for the seventh "ask", this is Feature Request FR22 which the USPTO received on July 6, 2020.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 8/6/2024 10:30 AM, Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p>Recall that we already sent a group letter about DAS. You can read about it here: <a href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/" target="_blank">https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/</a> . This was on February 22, 2020.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Oh and the new group letter can remind the reader that this is already our second time asking for the end of the foot-dragging. We asked for that in the group letter just mentioned, more than four years ago.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Oh and yes there is a tenth "ask" namely that RO/US become a Depositing Office in DAS. We asked for this in the group letter of four years ago.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 8/6/2024 10:20 AM, Carl Oppedahl wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p>Yeah, a group letter would be a good idea. there would be multiple "asks".<u></u><u></u></p><p>First, can they stop the foot-dragging on the retrieval. In present procedure, they always foot-drag the retrieval until the case is getting released from the OPAP to the Examining Corps. The correct behavior would be to retrieve the ECC (electronic certified copy) without delay, later the same day after the filer requests the retrieval.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Second, can they eliminate the human hand-keyed aspect of this. The ADS provides the DAS access code in computer-readable characters. The USPTO should extract the computer-readable DAS access code from inside the XML of the ADS, and should auto-load these computer-readable characters directly into the retrieval system. It is stupid to flatten the ADS to an image, and then halftone it, and then resample the DPI, and then ask a human being at the USPTO to read it and hand-key it into the retrieval system.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Third, can the USPTO please just take WIPO's example and provide a USPTO click path (perhaps within Patent Center) by which the filer can carry out the "action" (as in ePCT) of requesting the retrieval. And then the click path will do a real-time lookup in DAS and in real time, the click path will display the results of the real-time lookup. In this way, the filer can instantly learn whether there is a problem with the DAS code. And then the actual retrieval should proceed in an automatic way.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Fourth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in an ADS, can Patent Center simply extract the computer-readable DAS access code from the ADS and validate it in real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the ADS.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Fifth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in a web-based ADS, can Patent Center simply validate it in real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the filer's entry of the DAS access code into the web-based ADS. Note that we first asked for this in July of 2020.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p>Sixth, Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the results of the cross-check against DAS (success or failure).<u></u><u></u></p><p>Seventh, <span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the results of the retrieval attempt from DAS. If the retrieval from DAS worked, Patent Center needs to say so, along with the date that it happened and whether or not that date satisfies the 4-and-16 date. If the retrieval from DAS failed, Patent Center needs to say so.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">Eighth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and fails, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this failure to the filer by means of an email notification, providing verbatim the text of the error message from DAS.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">Ninth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and succeeds, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this success to the filer by means of an email notification.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white"><br><br></span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">On 8/6/2024 10:01 AM, Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice wrote:<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the responses. There are a number of frustrating aspects to this. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I will proceed with a "corrected" ADS, request for corrected filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And, of course, an interim copy. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maybe this situation calls for another group letter? I can volunteer to draft one and circulate for comments (though probably not immediately).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Krista<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Krista S. Jacobsen<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Attorney and Counselor at Law<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jacobsen IP Law<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">T: 408.455.5539<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:42<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p>What he said. It is super important to set up tracking in the DAS system for every would-be priority document.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 8/6/2024 9:09 AM, Randall Svihla via Patentpractice wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi, Alan</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sometime the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8 for B, etc.) and submits the wrong access code, Sometimes the client gives you the wrong access code. By setting up tracking in the WIPO Digital Access Service, you can see these errors.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Randall S. Svihla</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Taboada via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br><b>Cc:</b> Alan Taboada <a href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank"><ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">In the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with the DAS code provided.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">However, I would love to know if there is a better way to get this done as, in our experience, the USPTO has been failing to retrieve priority applications much more frequently and with greater and greater hoops to be jumped through to try to get the USPTO to electronically retrieve the certified copy of the priority document. In some cases, we needed to resort to obtaining a paper version of the certified copy ourselves to provide to the USPTO because the USPTO is incapable of obtaining it.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">Having seen Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting send, we will try that to see if that gives us better results (thanks, Randall)!</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br><b>Cc:</b> Krista Jacobsen <a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank"><krista@jacobseniplaw.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have the same question as Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">An application ("FPA") was filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that participates in DAS. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">A U.S. non-provisional application ("USNP") was filed and claims priority to FPA.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The DAS code for FPA was not provided by the foreign associates before USNP was filed, so the DAS code does not appear in the field of the ADS. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The 4/16 deadline is approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will also be submitting an interim copy in case they dawdle.)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It seems like it should be simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the application you already know about, please retrieve it"), and yet I cannot figure out how.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Years ago when I had to do this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B that allowed the DAS code to be provided. But that form is dated 2017 and seems to have been abrogated.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The current SB/38 form only "requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the following foreign priority application(s) <u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual property office participating with the USPTO in a priority document exchange agreement</u> ('Participating Office') but was submitted in an application subsequently filed with a Participating Office that permits the USPTO to retrieve such copy." <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">That is not my situation. I just need to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can retrieve the application from another Participating Office.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Do I submit a "corrected" ADS to provide the DAS code in the foreign priority info section? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Is there a different form to do this that I have missed? I looked through the list of forms provided by the USPTO and did not see anything that seemed applicable.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Krista<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Krista S. Jacobsen<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Attorney and Counselor at Law<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jacobsen IP Law<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">T: 408.455.5539<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://link.edgepilot.com/s/ecbebddd/1VqL_JWTpkKQnA9grqI70g?u=http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/" target="_blank">https://link.edgepilot.com/s/ecbebddd/1VqL_JWTpkKQnA9grqI70g?u=http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 9:52<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Erin Geraghty via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">That form seems to only allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which the priority application was filed, right? It does not mention obtaining the document from WIPO.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i>Please retrieve the foreign priority application identified in Column C, a copy of which is contained in the EP or JP application identified in Columns A and B:</i><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">There does not appear to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull the priority document via DAS? Am I missing something? </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Apologies if this is a stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Erin D. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Have you ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38 Request to Retrieve Electronic Priority Application(s) (the old form with options A and B) to see if they would retrieve it?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda Zaveta via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>; Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com" target="_blank">djf@iliplaw.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Linda Zaveta <<a href="mailto:lzaveta@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank">lzaveta@mtiplaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It\u2019s even more frustrating when they check the box on the OA or NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been. This happens a lot and when we check Patent Center, it isn\u2019t there. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Erin Geraghty <<a href="mailto:ErinG@browdyneimark.com" target="_blank">ErinG@browdyneimark.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I agree this is incredibly frustrating! Especially as they do not notify you when they have successfully obtained it via DAS except by checking a box on an OA or NOA. It is even more troubling when for some reason they run into an issue and do not let you know they have encountered an issue. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Also, when they have not properly downloaded it, the responsible parties at the PTO are less than helpful when trying to figure out what happened. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Erin D. 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Thank you</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 8:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com" target="_blank">djf@iliplaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0in"><img border="0" width="1" height="1" style="width: 0.0104in; height: 0.0104in;" id="m_1460103003336126063m_2663109692497420864m_6990943373111424780Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:ii_1912924b4aa4ce8e91" alt="Image removed by sender."></span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Filed an application that claims priority only from a non-US application. Foreign priority app is in DAS (I checked with WIPO). Provided the USPTO with the foreign application no. and the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at the time of filing. Got the filing receipt, and it acknowledges the foreign priority claim and that the DAS code was provided, and says that the USPTO "will attempt to electronically retrieve" the priority doc. But of course, the p.d. isn't yet in the electronic file.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">That the PTO waits to retrieve the p.d. is not news, Carl and others have written about it. But it still bugs me: how hard would it be for the PTO to retrieve the document NOW instead of waiting?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dan<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>Links contained in this email have been replaced. 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